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Because pushy believers try to make us one of them.
As I said, my experience has been different. That atheists are more willing than believers to push their beliefs on me. Otherwise I wouldn't have to hear about how Christians supposedly stole the Christmas holiday EVERY single year! Look--I don't want to hear it, how hard is it to get through your head?
How many times have I heard, "lets bring jesus back to Christmas"? Too many times to count.
Then we have people like YOU. Who continually want to attribute my love for freedom of expression as a "crusade"; desperately trying to believe that atheist are acting religiously.
The biggest hypocrites around. All I hear is "god this, god that, Jesus this Jesus that. But the moment any atheist open his mouth. CRUSADE, CRUSADE, CRUSADE, CRUSADE, CRUSADE.
I went out yesterday to feed my Orange habit. I was handed a bit of paper to come to a healing and prayer session. Lat week it was a jack chick tract. Every darn Saturday leaflets of pamphlets about religion are being handed out. I never saw one about atheism.
And yet you argue the need for a rational view on a suitable forum and, in between the 'God is real, you refuse to ..whatever..' stuff there is this constant 'why don't you leave us to our beliefs? Why have you got to preach atheism? Why don't you shut up?'
Because we are sick of this religious tosh and we are going to take it down. Even a lot of the believers are sick of it, though they often have a little personal god - relationship of their own. That's allright but the religion industry has got to be dismantled.
As I said, my experience has been different. That atheists are more willing than believers to push their beliefs on me. Otherwise I wouldn't have to hear about how Christians supposedly stole the Christmas holiday EVERY single year! Look--I don't want to hear it, how hard is it to get through your head?
It's not a push BACK when I haven't brought up my beliefs to them.
It's unsolicited, and unwanted. Very simple. If I didn't ask for someone's opinion--in real life--they don't need to share it with me. I don't share my opinions with people in real life unless they specifically ask me for it. Otherwise, it's kept close to the vest.
Then it's quite simple. If your views are your own and you have nothing to give to or get from theists or atheists, then our contest for the worldview is of no consequence to you and I fail to see why you are getting so uptight about what we feel obliged to do.
When it affects me...when people are getting in my face and sharing their beliefs with me in real life, as I'm simply trying to get through my day...then it's a problem. If I come here and CHOOSE to discuss it with faceless nonentities, that's one thing. But when I'm out in the world and someone gives their opinion when I have not asked for it, and just want to be left alone, it's a problem.
Unfortunately, the last person that "shared" that opinion with me, unsolicited, was my girlfriend at the time. Otherwise, I would have probably punched any man that got in my face and force fed their opinions on me. It is not unreasonable to leave other people alone and keep your opinions to yourself out there in the real world.
Last edited by TKramar; 11-28-2010 at 01:06 PM..
Reason: Side note: I don't punch women, only men.
It sounds like you live in a little slice of heaven on earth, (no pun intended). You have no pushy religious people around you and only atheist feel free to discuss their point of view in public. I definately want to visit there.
Because I can tell you that it's the exact opposite every other place in the U.S. that i've lived.
When it affects me...when people are getting in my face and sharing their beliefs with me in real life, as I'm simply trying to get through my day...then it's a problem. If I come here and CHOOSE to discuss it with faceless nonentities, that's one thing. But when I'm out in the world and someone gives their opinion when I have not asked for it, and just want to be left alone, it's a problem.
Unfortunately, the last person that "shared" that opinion with me, unsolicited, was my girlfriend at the time. Otherwise, I would have probably punched any man that got in my face and force fed their opinions on me. It is not unreasonable to leave other people alone and keep your opinions to yourself out there in the real world.
I rarely debate religion with people in real life. Most of my closest friends are not religious or maybe a bit spiritual. My husband's family and college friends are all very religious Southern Baptists - so religion does come up with them from time to time - but mostly we avoid it. I have been approached here and there by people trying to get me to come to their church or whatnot - but that hasn't happened for awhile. I've never been approached by an atheist - never. But I guess we all have different experiences. I also live in New York - religion isn't really big here. Arts, culture, theatre - they are the more predominating things in my life here.
It sounds like you live in a little slice of heaven on earth, (no pun intended). You have no pushy religious people around you and only atheist feel free to discuss their point of view in public. I definately want to visit there.
Because I can tell you that it's the exact opposite every other place in the U.S. that i've lived.
No, I've had Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons come up to me too (which one prints the Watchtower? I have no idea). And I feel the same about them. If they don't leave me be, they get punched. It should be very simple to leave people alone and not talk to them. In fact, I get by very well not talking to a single person out in the world. I have a great job, where I am left to handle my own area, and don't have to interact with any other coworkers. I'm trusted enough to do the job well, and to seek out other work when I'm finished with my own area. This doesn't take me talking to anyone, just doing.
I just accept the fact that I'm living in Southern Baptist territory, and so I'll have to bow my head in prayer before any formal event. (There's not many Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses around here.)
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