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Satan was never a holy angel, and did not ever have truth. He was a liar from the beginning, having been created to tempt men and holy angels with lies. Your translation is twisted.
Satan was not a rebel.
Satan is subject to God, and gets permission to try men, so as to earn the right to them as his subjects in the Lake of Fire, and his food, forever, if they fall.
Satan has a host of evil spirits created as his army, and he must needs to get enough food for all of them to feed on forever, as "food and drink to them is to torment and torture holy fallen angels and unrepentant Adam souls in bodies, who are cast into the Lake of Fire which is made for the devil and his unholy angels, from the beginning.
So, now you are calling Jesus a liar? Not only are you twisted, but top that off with being deranged in your understanding. But I'm not stumbled at all about it. Satan became Satan when he devised a sinister plot to turn our foreparents against Jehovah. That's when he BEGAN as Satan. His name is unknown beforehand when he was a holy angel prior. That's another beginning. It doesn't matter if he was only good for one day, one week, one year or a thousand years. He was originally a good angel who turned bad.
.... He was originally a good angel who turned bad.
Jesus never said Satan fell, or that Satan was a holy angel. Jesus said Satan was the liar from the beginning who did not have standing in the truth because there is no truth in him. You will not find one Scripture anywhere in the Word that claims Satan was a holy angel who fell. not one, single, solitary, one. Angels have fallen, by becoming subject to the satans and believing their lies and acting upon them, but Satan was never, ever, ever, reported in the Word, at any place, to be a holy angel who fell. That doctrine is a made up story which has no standing in the Truth: so since it has no truth, we know where it comes from.
Unfortunately, a lot of Christians and non-Christians have been fed that false doctrine, since its invention, and they believe it without studying to see for themselves. It does not damn one to believe it, but for factual Bible doctrine, one should not go with the flow, but prove all things.
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Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared/made ready for the devil and his [unholy] angels [the satans]:
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Book of Enoch, the angels who fell became subject to the satans: The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912 Leading Astray Those Who Dwell on Earth
5And he said unto me: "These are being prepared for the hosts of Azazel, so that they may take them and cast them into the abyss of complete condemnation, and they shall cover their jaws with rough stones as the Lord of Spirits commanded.
6And Michael, and Gabriel, and Raphael, and Phanuel shall take hold of them on that great day, and cast them on that day into the burning furnace, that the Lord of Spirits may take vengeance on them for their unrighteousness in becoming subject to Satan and leading astray those who dwell on the earth. [/QUOTE]
Satan can shape shift to deceive, into many forms, including an angel of light, but he was never an angel of light, but is the prince of darkness, from the beginning, who owns the Lake of Fire made for him and his host of evil spirits. -Jesus said so. That is his dominion, and he is the prince of that kingdom of the blackness of darkness. Jesus said so, and he and his evil host will forever feed on the fallen angels and unrepentant Adam persons who get a place in the Lake of Fire, forever.
2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed/shapshifts/metaschēmatizō into an angel of light. 2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Shapeshifting Satan:
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Book of Jasher/the Upright Record chapter 23 25 And whilst Abraham was proceeding with his son Isaac along the road, Satan came and appeared to Abraham in the figure of a very aged man, humble and of contrite spirit, and he approached Abraham and said to him, Art thou silly or brutish, that thou goest to do this thing this day to thine only son?
26 For God gave thee a son in thy latter days, in thy old age, and wilt thou go and slaughter him this day because he committed no violence, and wilt thou cause the soul of thine only son to perish from the earth?
27 Dost thou not know and understand that this thing cannot be from the Lord? for the Lord cannot do unto man such evil upon earth to say to him, Go slaughter thy child.
28 And Abraham heard this and knew that it was the word of Satan who endeavored to draw him aside from the way of the Lord, but Abraham would not hearken to the voice of Satan, and Abraham rebuked him so that he went away.
29 And Satan returned and came to Isaac; and he appeared unto Isaac in the figure of a young man comely and well favored....
33 And Abraham answered his son Isaac and said to him, Take heed of him and do not listen to his words, nor attend to him, for he is Satan, endeavoring to draw us aside this day from the commands of God.
34 And Abraham still rebuked Satan, and Satan went from them, and seeing he could not prevail over them he hid himself from them, and he went and passed before them in the road; and he transformed himself to a large brook of water in the road, and Abraham and Isaac and his two young men reached that place, and they saw a brook large and powerful as the mighty waters.
And they entered the brook and passed through it, and the waters at first reached their legs.
And they went deeper in the brook and the waters reached up to their necks, and they were all terrified on account of the water; and whilst they were going over the brook Abraham recognized that place, and he knew that there was no water there before.
And Abraham said to his son Isaac, I know this place in which there was no brook nor water, now therefore it is this Satan who does all this to us, to draw us aside this day from the commands of God. 38 And Abraham rebuked him and said unto him, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan, begone from us for we go by the commands of God.
39 And Satan was terrified at the voice of Abraham, and he went away from them, and the place again became dry land as it was at first.
Let's say for the moment that every one of your assertions is absolutely correct. Right on target. A bullseye, etc. My question to you is, what is anyone supposed to do about Satan? You present all this evidence, but you don't give any clue as to why it would mean anything. It's not going to change the order of things, is it?
Let's say for the moment that every one of your assertions is absolutely correct. Right on target. A bullseye, etc. My question to you is, what is anyone supposed to do about Satan? You present all this evidence, but you don't give any clue as to why it would mean anything. It's not going to change the order of things, is it?
Do not underestimate the extent of believing in something that is not true in the name of worship. The Bible tells what will happen to this empire referred to as Babylon the Great(world empire of fall religion). It is misleading the whole inhabited earth. Revelation 14:8 quotes- "She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!" The Bible warns to get out of her. Many false religions teach that God created Satan. Well, that is calling God a wicked God. They say it's all meant to be. That is blasphemy! That's like someone planning to have a child knowing one day that they are going to kill that child. No one in their right minds would do that. Jehovah is a loving God. He is our Creator. He did not put us on this earth to destroy us. Yes, he has the ability to see the future(if he chooses). However, he did not choose to see it in the case of the first human couple. They were perfect. Adam was no dummy. He knew very well snakes couldn't talk. He named all the animals, studied them carefully. He was the first scientist. Once again Adam was not deceived! He wanted to keep Eve at all cost! He defied his Creator in doing so. He basically rolled with his woman instead God. Most of the weight falls on Adam rather Eve. Jehovah chose to see the fall of Babylon for example. And their demise happened just as it was foretold. You must get to know what God requires of you. You can't decide for yourself what is right and wrong and come out victorious/unscathed. Just look at the world spiraling more and more out of control. When people reject God's rule and defy him for man's rule, that is the consequence. We know that Jehovah's anger is fast approaching. We know he is with those who are with him. We know there won't be a World War 3. Why? Because it will kill us all. These kingdoms are likened to as wild beasts. Their might is in their military power. And we know that Jehovah steps in when his purpose is interfered with. His will never went out the window when Adam and Eve sinned. His will being to have a paradise earth. The world is in pangs of distress.- ( Matthew 24:8) These things must take place before the conclusion of this system of things. Just as in the case of a woman who gives birth. Before the birth of a beautiful baby-there is much pain and distress.
Let's say for the moment that every one of your assertions is absolutely correct. Right on target. A bullseye, etc. My question to you is, what is anyone supposed to do about Satan? You present all this evidence, but you don't give any clue as to why it would mean anything. It's not going to change the order of things, is it?
Aren't you a Jew? -Do you know about the lessons in the Oracles of the Gold Mercy Seat, and the gold covered Ark of the Covenant?
For a Believer, understanding is a gift, with knowledge, in the Word, of how to wage the warfare we are in against the enemy of our own soul -and the enemy of the souls of every person born in Adam- who will try us [only with permission] to see if there is a weakness in our armor so as to gain entry [Genesis 4:7 -"Sin" in that verse of warning to Cain is a "Satan"], and have dominion over us, which is his purpose for creation. He earns his eternal food for the Lake of Fire [his kingdom] by doing what he was created to do, to be the adversary who tests men and angels, so as to get the "chaff" as his food [Psalm 37]
Believe God's Word, and live eternaly blessed. Believe the Liar, and exist eternally damned, as a worm in the dominion of darkness.
If we are a believer, Satan can get permission to test/try us, but then we have Jesus praying for us, when that test/trial happens, so that we are strengthened, and can then strengthen our brethren.
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1Cr 10:13 There hath no temptation/trial taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted/tried above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
Satan however, got challenged to test Job, and Job got tested the most of any righteous human being who was ever born in Adam, and Job did not fail nor sin with his mouth, and he glorified God -and Job received back double the blessings of everything Satan took from him [with God's permission], in his long trial.
Job knew the test was from God, even though Satan was the medium doing the testing: Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: [when] he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.
Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
Job 42:12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. Job 42:13 He had also seven [more] sons and three [more] daughters.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle [you]. 2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat:Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Jam 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
All heaven is watching when a servant of the LORD is allowed to go through testings from the satans, but the rewards are glorious for those who are set, as in an arena, with the host of heaven watching to see the glory they will give God and therefore earn, for their own eternal reward.
1Cor 4:5 NIV
For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men.
Aren't you a Jew? -Do you know about the lessons in the Oracles of the Gold Mercy Seat, and the gold covered Ark of the Covenant?
As a matter of fact, I happen to be Jewish. This does not grant me exclusive rights to the fact that 'satan' is not a name; it's a word. It means 'the accuser,' and its appearance in Hebrew Scripture (offensively known by Christians as the 'Old Testament') is a vague reference to...we don't know exactly who or what. Could have been an actual person known to the original authors, or not.
The Ark of the Covenant was the casing in which the actual tablets brought down from the mountain by Moses were supposed to have been kept. You'll have to update me on the relationship of that particular box to your alleged being by the name of Satan. Such fables were not taught to me in Hebrew school.
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
As a matter of fact, I happen to be Jewish. This does not grant me exclusive rights to the fact that 'satan' is not a name; it's a word. It means 'the accuser,' and its appearance in Hebrew Scripture (offensively known by Christians as the 'Old Testament') is a vague reference to...we don't know exactly who or what. Could have been an actual person known to the original authors, or not.
The Ark of the Covenant was the casing in which the actual tablets brought down from the mountain by Moses were supposed to have been kept. You'll have to update me on the relationship of that particular box to your alleged being by the name of Satan. Such fables were not taught to me in Hebrew school.
All Hebrew names are words that mean something, as you know. In fact, three Hebrew root etymons in one word can make a whole sentence -right?.
Hebrew Tenach is not offensive, and is a better word than Old Testament, actually.
Actually, with Enoch, one knows exactly what the evil spirits in heaven called "satans" are. With Job, one corroborates Enoch with that ancient writing, also.
Actually, the Ark of the Covenant was the wooden box plated with solid gold, and crowned with a gold crown, which was under the solid Gold Mercy Seat cover, in which was placed the "Testimony".
My asking you about it is because the Ark itself is a living oracle to teach the doctrine of the New Man [born again] whose Firstborn -the "Head"- oracled in the solid Gold Mercy Seatwhich received the Blood of the rehearsal of the final Atonement, is the New Man, whose name as second Man is Israel [and He invoked His name over Jacob, as Sirach states, and Jacob's seed is ever after called by that name of Adoption which was to come].
Anyway, gold is purified by fire, and whoever is born again in Christ will be tried and tested, and come forth as "gold" without blemish.
Satan is the try-er, or the one who "proofs" the righteous, in order to see what sort they are.
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
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