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Let's pretend for a moment. Suppose you were talking to someone that was completly ignorant of the Christian way. How would you define "Confess Jesus as Lord?"
Would trying to follow his teachings be enough? Why not?
Here again, we are trying to tie God's hands as to who is and who isn't. I don't think that we should do that.
I suspect that when we look at that line outside the Pearly Gates, there will be a lot who have been crossing their fingers about a lot of things.
How would you define Confess Christ...well Romans 10:9 says
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved...10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
I can relate to this Alpha, maybe thats what the guy was talking about. Thanks. I think you handled the situation well. At the church we attend now, baptism and joining have nothing to do with each other, if u accept Christ, you can be baptised anywhere anytime, with no obligation to our church, just to God.
Yes I know, Ive posted my experience with what the same type of situation in a prev thread, I know where you were coming from and agree with you 200%. yea 200 didnt mean to tie my post that what we did and what u experienced were in any way tied together.
How would you define Confess Christ...well Romans 10:9 says
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved...10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Amen!
Padgett, just so you know, I actually am not legalistic on this issue, I am somewhat playing the role of devil's advocate for the purpose of discussion.
That being said, I do think that certains sects and denominations put too much emphasis on rules, regs, rituals, ect instead of a personal heart-changing experience with Christ, which does come from personal confession, not from baptism itself, or learning church history and beliefs.
Let's pretend for a moment. Suppose you were talking to someone that was completly ignorant of the Christian way. How would you define "Confess Jesus as Lord?"
Would trying to follow his teachings be enough? Why not?
Here again, we are trying to tie God's hands as to who is and who isn't. I don't think that we should do that.
I suspect that when we look at that line outside the Pearly Gates, there will be a lot who have been crossing their fingers about a lot of things.
What do you think it means to "follow his teachings?"
But kay, we can't be legalistic about things. The 2nd half only talks about a negative consequence if they don't believe, not if they don't get baptized.
(It just doesn't feel the same kay! Need you and I to put on our boxing gloves!)
You're right! Just not the same! Without the passion of real conviction behind it, arguing just doesn't have the same thrill! Oh, well, not to worry, I'm sure something will come up shortly where we can "really" argue!
Last edited by jeffncandace; 07-13-2007 at 01:20 PM..
Reason: fixed my quote
I know a lot of people don't agree. But I believe it is required. The Bible states it is for the remission of sins. How then can our sins be forgiven if we are not baptized?
When the Eunich asked what he needed to do to be saved the reply was "believe and be baptized and he immediately went down to the river and was baptized. I think it is essential. And it worries me that others don't see it this way. Alot. I guess God will figure it out.
I know a lot of people don't agree. But I believe it is required. The Bible states it is for the remission of sins. How then can our sins be forgiven if we are not baptized?
When the Eunich asked what he needed to do to be saved the reply was "believe and be baptized and he immediately went down to the river and was baptized. I think it is essential. And it worries me that others don't see it this way. Alot. I guess God will figure it out.
God will figure it out, you're right on that spunk.
You're right! Just not the same! Without the passion of real conviction behind it, arguing just doesn't have the same thrill! Oh, well, not to worry, I'm sure something will come up shortly where we can "really" argue!
LOL! I'm sure holding my breath wont even pose a danger!
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didnt mean to tie my post that what we did and what u experienced were in any way tied together.
