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Old 02-24-2011, 10:12 AM
 
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God fights? Does he wear boxing gloves? Does he fight fair or dirty?

the quote you cited was not mine.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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Why do we have the old testament and the new testament?
So that Christians can claim a cop out for not following the laws of the OT.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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Doesn't sound at all like a plan devised by a being wise and powerful enough to create the universe in a day. Sounds more like ancient man-made mythology... hmmm
Of course ancient man-made mythology could not explain how the prophecies of the Bible are so accurate, and detailed. And these prophecies are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Ancient man did not know the future in detail, yet God did. And that is why we see these prophecies in the Bible.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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So that Christians can claim a cop out for not following the laws of the OT.
It was the Old Testament that told us God was going to make a New Covanent for man. Are you saying the Old Testament was a cop out as well. The Bible has an order of events. It's tells us this before hand. And if there is a cop out, it happens when people refuse to consider the written word, and the order it describes.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:56 AM
 
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Of course ancient man-made mythology could not explain how the prophecies of the Bible are so accurate, and detailed.
Yeah right...like Egypt being a desolate wasteland for 40 years.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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Of course ancient man-made mythology could not explain how the prophecies of the Bible are so accurate, and detailed.
That's because they aren't except in the minds of hopelessly brainwashed who have the bible say what they want it to say anyway. It's no different than Nostradamus* .

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And these prophecies are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Ancient man did not know the future in detail, yet God did. And that is why we see these prophecies in the Bible.
Again, not the actions of a being capable of creating universes.

The Oracle of Delphi* had more accurate prophesies than Bible gawd. And she was a real person.



* (please spare us the rebuttals in your fundie handbook, I've heard them all)
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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God never started a war. He brought them to an end.
You obviously have never read the Bible or understand its origins. Yahweh was a god of war before he was elevated to the monotheists one "true" god. His bloody personality traits fir perfectly into the expansionist plans of the priests and rulers of the Hebrews of that time.
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What seems to be wars that you think He started, are in reality defences against those who where destroying the innocent and teaching their children to do likewise as you see the terrorists doing today.
Ahh right. So it's back to the old "context" BS


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If the innocent are caught up in all this and especially the children, then God in His love takes them into Heaven where they can no longer be harmed, but the wicked, He shall punish in order to spare the righteous any futher harm.
The Bible only seems contardictory because of the ambivalent nature of God. On the one hand He hates evil because it destroys oneself and others and so all will at some time will answer for it. He is therefore the God of justice and forwarns. On the other hand, He is love and mercy unto repentance and salvation via God as the Son. All of mankind has this nature of ambivalence but have it out of balance. He the Son, is the only true example of the fullness of the nature of God in a man. Christ is the examble of what a mans character can be if endued with the power [born of the Spirit] of God. We do not know how long God waited with patience with those who were distroying the moral fabric in the Old Testament era. Therefore we are not the judge of God. Those who believed and were of the Old Testament [letter of the law, hindered by fallen nature], looked forward to the New Covenant [born again of the power of His Spirit]. At the moment of death, they of the Old Testament era received the New Covenant in the Spirit when Christ ushered in eternal life. Eternal Life was applied backward in time at the time of His death and forward in time to all who would believe. This New Covenant was placed strategically in the mist of time so that we would have perspective about spiritual matters, ie, what it was like to try be godly without personal contact with God and now, what it can be with Christs' power because God now lives among us by the power of the resurrection to those who receive. Many who started out right in the faith have fallen away and so they taint the purity of what I am saying, but the Truth itself still stands tall for all who would follow Christ. I am taking here of Christ and not of denominations or outward forms of religion. But as it is written, "Those who believe shall be taught by God Himself." Such power can only be had by those who humble themself to the so called foolishness of the cross. God has chosen such foolishness because man is highminded and full of pride and with all his wisdom has availed nothing eternal. Just look at the world for proof of that. Eternal Life is Love, Peace, and Joy by His Spirit and not by mans spirit. It is not hate and war without cause. The Gospel literally means Good News. Good news for the lonely, the jaded, the tempted and fallen, the down hearted, the poor, the orphan and all who love Truth. Mankinds limited love cannot know the unlimited Love of God in the nature he has been born with and so that is why Jesus said in John, 3;7 " You must be born again of the Spirit" The Bible is written to provoke faith. The Word of the Lord without faith is only "line upon line." Without faith one "falls backward and snared by lies." Rejection of Christ without cause is the issue at heart that lead to His crucifixtion in the body but raised to Glory in Spirit. His willingness to forgive in spite of this, is what makes Him Devine and not mere human. He therefore has the last word as one should expect of God. The same issue of heart exists today. He appeared in body and died only once in the flesh in order to prove the point. The evidence is stacked up against us, but He desires to advocate for us if we allow Him to, by receiving His mercy or judge if not, when a mans life is over. If a man were to live a thousand years without Gods' regenerative power, he would eventually end up in all evil. To be our own god is to die in our sin. Thank God that our lives are short so as to avoid such a state of being and that we have the privilege to receive eternal life in the Spirit now and when the body is gone, eternal life forever!
Blah blah blah.

It's amazing how easily you Xian can regurgitate such convoluted, Rube Goldburg-esque train wreck drivel. Even more amazing you actually believe it. Please, seek help (real help, not prayer or communion with the "holy ghost" Jesus or other invisible friends).
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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You obviously have never read the Bible or understand its origins. Yahweh was a god of war before he was elevated to the monotheists one "true" god. His bloody personality traits fir perfectly into the expansionist plans of the priests and rulers of the Hebrews of that time.
Ahh right. So it's back to the old "context" BS


Blah blah blah.

It's amazing how easily you Xian can regurgitate such convoluted, Rube Goldburg-esque train wreck drivel. Even more amazing you actually believe it. Please, seek help (real help, not prayer or communion with the "holy ghost" Jesus or other invisible friends).

I tried to give a thoughtfull understanding to you of things that most Christians hold to. I did not expect you to agree. But you have only caustic remarks and no sustance of respect for people of differing views. You alienate people from further sharing of thought. I have read the Bible all my life [60 yrs old now] at least a thousand times. You know nothing about me.
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Old 02-24-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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That's because they aren't except in the minds of hopelessly brainwashed who have the bible say what they want it to say anyway. It's no different than Nostradamus* .

Again, not the actions of a being capable of creating universes.

The Oracle of Delphi* had more accurate prophesies than Bible gawd. And she was a real person.



* (please spare us the rebuttals in your fundie handbook, I've heard them all)



Did the Oracle of Delphi tell us that in the last days the Jewish people would return from a worldwide exile and return to the land of Israel. Did she tell us they would occupy Southern Israel first, and then retake Jerusalem second. Did she tell us that Jerusalems Old East Gate would have a second gate added to it, and that Gate would be sealed until the prince to come would open it. And these prophecies are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Why should I spare the truth? The readings are clear, and to believe one has to be brainwashed to believe them is pretty much off the wall.
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