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You are right, there is no where in the Bible that says the OT is invalid. The truth of the OT (and all the Bible) transcends through time. God got it right the first time,there is no redo.
Good thoughts, ILNC. Actually, the book of Galations in the New Testament and to some extent the book of Hebrews gives IMO a pretty good overview of why God gave the Old Testament law and now we have a new covenant. Galations is a short book and would explain a lot to anyone having questions.
Good thoughts, ILNC. Actually, the book of Galations in the New Testament and to some extent the book of Hebrews gives IMO a pretty good overview of why God gave the Old Testament law and now we have a new covenant. Galations is a short book and would explain a lot to anyone having questions.
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Regarding the OP, the Bible states the Jesus fulfilled the law.
Torah says that a few things will occur when the Messiah comes to earth, and unfortunately, those things have never occurred, including:
Literal peace on Earth. Unfortunately, there are wars and fighting still occurring.
Everyone, regardless of religion, will recognize the Messiah. Although Christians recognize Jesus as the Messiah, other religions do not.
Buildling the third Temple. At the current time, the only way that will happen is to build it over the sight of Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. (Muslims like to build their mosques over the holy sites of other religions)
The list goes on. Jesus contradicts the Torah, which says that all mitzvot (those 613 commandments, including the original ten) "remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)"
If one follows Torah, one cannot accept Jesus as a messiah. Judaism isn't based on belief; it's based on following Torah. Thus, "what is supposed to happen when the Messiah reaches earth" has not happened.
To make it absolutely clear, the above is only stating why Jesus was not the fulfillment of Torah. Judaism does not at all condemn people who do not follow Torah.
Torah says that a few things will occur when the Messiah comes to earth, and unfortunately, those things have never occurred, including:
Literal peace on Earth. Unfortunately, there are wars and fighting still occurring.
Everyone, regardless of religion, will recognize the Messiah. Although Christians recognize Jesus as the Messiah, other religions do not.
Buildling the third Temple. At the current time, the only way that will happen is to build it over the sight of Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. (Muslims like to build their mosques over the holy sites of other religions)
The list goes on. Jesus contradicts the Torah, which says that all mitzvot (those 613 commandments, including the original ten) "remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)"
If one follows Torah, one cannot accept Jesus as a messiah. Judaism isn't based on belief; it's based on following Torah. Thus, "what is supposed to happen when the Messiah reaches earth" has not happened.
To make it absolutely clear, the above is only stating why Jesus was not the fulfillment of Torah. Judaism does not at all condemn people who do not follow Torah.
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Wanted to comment...but I'm sure you've heard this before. The things you are describing (peace, recognition, third temple) is referring (according to Christianity) to Christ's second coming. His first coming was for the sin of the world.
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[/quote]Wanted to comment...but I'm sure you've heard this before. The things you are describing (peace, recognition, third temple) is referring (according to Christianity) to Christ's second coming. His first coming was for the sin of the world.[/quote]
I know that is the Christian's explanation of why Jesus did not fulfill the requirements for a Messiah. However, the Torah does not speak of a second coming. It simply says that when the Messiah comes, the things (I mentioned earlier) will occur. Therefore, there is no need for a second arrival.
From what I gather, Christianity is based on believing that Jesus is the Messiah. Is that correct? Therefore, "belief" is the number one requirement.
Judaism is not based on belief of any person. It's based on following the commandments of the Torah. Therefore, it isn't just enough to believe in the Torah. We must follow its commandments.
Thus, Christians just have to believe. Jews have to follow commandments. (It isn't easy being Jewish!)
From what I gather, Christianity is based on believing that Jesus is the Messiah. Is that correct? Therefore, "belief" is the number one requirement.
Judaism is not based on belief of any person. It's based on following the commandments of the Torah. Therefore, it isn't just enough to believe in the Torah. We must follow its commandments.
Thus, Christians just have to believe. Jews have to follow commandments. (It isn't easy being Jewish!)
Christians also must follow commandments. Just not as legalistic as Judaism, I guess.
My confusion stems from your statement that "Judaism isn't based on belief; it's based on following Torah."
Don't you believe in the Torah, otherwise, why would you follow it?
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