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Old 02-28-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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So you are telling me that a scientist can't have faith in their findings?

Faith....... Really please lets not have this circular argument.....

Science has more in its corner then the biblical 7 day myth of creation......

Please don't even try to compare science to mythology.......
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Scientist think that humans are still evolving. They claim to have evidence to prove what direction we will go. But, something random could happen and throw off this theory. At this time, they have faith in their evidence that it will not change and we will evolve the way they believe we will. That is scientific faith hard at work. Like I said, faith is not religious based.
There is NO FAITH in science.

Because FAITH IS A BELIEF NOT BASED ON PROOF.

By your own description above the scientists have evidence to support their claims.

And just a little FYI, since evolution is just the change in allelic frequencies of a population over time, humans are 100% "still evolving" as evidenced by the differing allelic frequencies from just 1000 years ago.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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The belief that their is a creator, greater power, G-d does not translate into a creation/evolution problem.

They go hand in hand in my belief. Make no mistake I am NOT talking about a 7 day he done it story, not at all...... That is a myth..... Not worthy of being taught in any school....
How in anyway, is any creator, worthy of being taught in a SCIENCE classroom?
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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So you are telling me that a scientist can't have faith in their findings?
Maybe you do not know what the word faith means.

The word has two different sets of meaning that are clear and distinct, a religious set.

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2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith. "









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And the single secular one:

"confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability."

It is intellectual dishonest to play semantics or vocabulary games. Are your really claiming that there is not a secular definition of faith separate and distinct from its spiritual one?
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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How in anyway, is any creator, worthy of being taught in a SCIENCE classroom?
I did not say that....... I said that in my view they can go together...

I said:The belief that their is a creator, greater power, G-d does not translate into a creation/evolution problem.

They go hand in hand in my belief. Make no mistake I am NOT talking about a 7 day he done it story, not at all...... That is a myth..... Not worthy of being taught in any school....

I am not a creationist, I do not believe in the biblical creation. I do accept that a creator was involved in the beginning and from that point on there was an evolutionary process...

I do not want religion taught in schools, I do not want creationism taught in school and I would not want my view taught in school. It is just my view.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:51 PM
 
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Faith....... Really please lets not have this circular argument.....

Science has more in its corner then the biblical 7 day myth of creation......

Please don't even try to compare science to mythology.......
Does anyone know where science originated from? Alchemy a form of religious/spiritual based science.

I am not saying I believe in the 7 day thing... please give me more credit in that.

I am just saying that scientists do have "faith" in their findings. The believe their findings to be correct. They also have faith that their hypothesis will be correct. How is this not in some way similar to people who are religious and have faith that their religion or personal religious theories are?
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:55 PM
 
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Wrong!!! If you are gonna teach one religion, I suspect, just to be legal about it and not show preference to one religious theory, all religions should be taught as equals.
Umm... read what I said one more time. I don't think you understood it.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:55 PM
 
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You and others can be. Just open your mind to other possibilities. Even ones you might not agree with or believe in. Reading the bible will not make you christian or anything. Reading any religious text won't make you of that religion. Just like reading a law book doesn't make you a lawyer.
btw, I have read it (not a fan at all).....and have read many other books on many subjects - have published many tech papers etc - you may be surprised if you met me in real life. What I meant earlier was that I wish I had more time to read.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:58 PM
 
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btw, I have read it.....and have read many other books on many subjects - have published many tech papers etc - you may be surprised if you met me in real life. What I meant was I wish I had more time to read.
Don't we all wish we had time to read more? I know I do.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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Does anyone know where science originated from? Alchemy a form of religious/spiritual based science.

I am not saying I believe in the 7 day thing... please give me more credit in that.

I am just saying that scientists do have "faith" in their findings. The believe their findings to be correct. They also have faith that their hypothesis will be correct. How is this not in some way similar to people who are religious and have faith that their religion or personal religious theories are?
Wrong again.

You persist in refusing admit (or ignorantly choosing to ignore) the FACT that there are two different definitions for the word faith.

When scientists have FAITH in their findings it means CONFIDENCE and NOT BELIEF WITHOUT PROOF.

Second, alchemy was not a belief system but rather a method by which people where trying to pursue transmutation. No more or less.
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