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Old 03-15-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Wow... you're saying we're more uncivil than Israel or United Arab Emirates?

I have to disagree with you on that statement.

Being a blow hard isn't just a thing Christians do... evidence of that is on this forum everyday. Plenty of atheists and agnostics feel that the world would be better if religion disappeared. They may be the minority in the US, but they're still blow hards.

I'm agnostic, don't get me wrong, but I don't really think how New Orleans dealt with Katrina had anything to do with religion just like I don't think how Japan is dealing now has to do with religion.

I think Chango is right, it's more that Americans don't prepare and that we generally have crappy attitudes no matter what our religious beliefs are.

Out of all the countries in the world to compare us to you picked Israel and the UAE?
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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Out of all the countries in the world to compare us to you picked Israel and the UAE?
I wasn't comparing us to Israel and UAE. They're both considered developed countries, Asheville said we were the most uncivil, I was pointing out that I didn't agree by a long shot.

We're nowhere near as bad as Israel or UAE in my opinion.

Meh, I guess I was using them in comparison of uncivilized developed nations, but if I were to compare us in terms of civility I wouldn't even use the term "uncivilized" to describe the US. That would be Asheville stating we're uncivilized, not me.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:30 PM
 
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Based on how the average citizen treats average citizen, absolutely. Of course Israel, Northern Ireland have some really uncivil moments, but what is the driving force behind those? Oh yea, belief in gods

We are also the last industrialized nation to employ the death penalty. Percentage wise we have the greatest percentage of our citizens imprisoned, and 2nd place isn't even close.
I disagree, I think overall countries like Israel and Northern Ireland (which I don't think was on the list of developed nations I was looking at) are more uncivilized than we are.

Hatred runs deep in those countries, I don't even think it's comparable to what goes on here in the US. I don't understand how you could think it's not worse than here.

You can't erase hundreds or thousands of years of hatred, average citizen to average citizen things in those countries are FAR worse as far as civility than they are here.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:51 PM
 
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I disagree, I think overall countries like Israel and Northern Ireland (which I don't think was on the list of developed nations I was looking at) are more uncivilized than we are.

Hatred runs deep in those countries, I don't even think it's comparable to what goes on here in the US. I don't understand how you could think it's not worse than here.

You can't erase hundreds or thousands of years of hatred, average citizen to average citizen things in those countries are FAR worse as far as civility than they are here.
Based on religion alone. How neighbor treats neighbor (aside from the religion based conflicts) is deplorable in this country.

What is the #1 item on the list of those with a survivalist mentality? Guns and plenty of ammunition, to defend against not government or those of a different religion but against their neighbors.

How strikingly different to see people huddled around a fire against the cold in Japan, eating what is probably a very limited supply of food, but they offered food and water to the reporter interviewing them .

In New Orleans they filmed a man wading through chest deep water, with a plasma TV he had just stolen on his shoulder.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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I wasn't comparing us to Israel and UAE. They're both considered developed countries, Asheville said we were the most uncivil, I was pointing out that I didn't agree by a long shot.

We're nowhere near as bad as Israel or UAE in my opinion.

Meh, I guess I was using them in comparison of uncivilized developed nations, but if I were to compare us in terms of civility I wouldn't even use the term "uncivilized" to describe the US. That would be Asheville stating we're uncivilized, not me.

They are not uncivilized and yes we have very uncivilized ways of behaving in this country.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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Americans are just greedy and selfish, also rude. They use religion as a veil.
Many are about as compassionate as a pit viper. That's the American mentality, religious or not.
I would say those are uncivilized characteristics.
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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To put this thread in perspective...It is obvious to me that the more religious a nation is the more uncivil it is. As an example of civil nations I give you Denmark and Sweden, and Japan (65% atheist) is not far behind...Check the crime statistics of these nations and then see if you can tell me if I, or the OP are wrong.

While you are at it check out how the most religious of nations treat each other and their citizens...

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' - Times Online
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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Americans are just greedy and selfish, also rude. They use religion as a veil.
Many are about as compassionate as a pit viper. That's the American mentality, religious or not.
I would say those are uncivilized characteristics.
Some use it as a veil, some use it as a tool or a lure for personal gain.
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:16 PM
 
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They are not uncivilized and yes we have very uncivilized ways of behaving in this country.
I disagree, I've made my point.

The level of hatred that is prevalent in countries like UAE and Israel is not prevalent here. At least I don't think it is.
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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I disagree, I've made my point.

The level of hatred that is prevalent in countries like UAE and Israel is not prevalent here. At least I don't think it is.

Have you ever been to the UAE? Have you ever been to Israel? Do you really know about these countries?

I don't know about the UAE but I do know about Israel. Friday in Itamar a family of 5 were massacred by Palesntinian terrorists. The youngest was 3 months old. Two children managed to escape the massacre and now are living with grandparents.

This is what Israelis live with... The incitement in the Palestinian territories is rampant. Israel has a right to self defense.

Now I will speak to this country which has its issues too. We certainly have some very uncivilized behavior. We also have some very civilized behavior.

Everytime I see the tea party folks I see hatred.

When I see the WBC I see hatred.

When I see people looting in the midst of the devistation after a hurricane that is uncivilized behavior. When violence goes way up and it did after Katrina I see uncivilized behavior.

No country is perfect, but yes this country can be uncivilized.
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