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Old 04-23-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Detroit/South Korea
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Millions don't see it. But, billions do. Now what?
And a billion others see something else...so now what?
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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How many avowed atheist's do the same thing?
Well, for myself, I have read many of the holy books of different religions. You??
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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perhaps the answer is that God does make His presence too obvious to ignore, but we just don't want to see it.
That doesn't make sense. It's too obvious to ignore, but we just ignore it anyway?
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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That doesn't make sense. It's too obvious to ignore, but we just ignore it anyway?
It's Christian logic.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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No, actually that test was complete...and people are confusing the word don't, with the word, won't. Typical, of those who won't use and refuse to acknowledge existence, of their own spirituality. Could be those people would prefer to be a robot and least then, they would be more productive in their lives instead of wasting their time along with that of many others.

lifer---there are only boundaries for people who wish to create them for themselves. It gets worse, when they try to push those same boundaries off on to other people.

get a life, texan.
Why would you say "get a life" over a mere discussion?Is your intellectual arsenal bereft of anything more profound than this?If you don't like the discussion,then why do you participate,especially when reduced to such worthless responses?
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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Millions don't see it. But, billions do. Now what?

Billions believe what they are taught because they are also taught that if they don't believe what they have been told is correct,they fry in a neverending hell.So please,spare me the false claim that billions have thoroughly investigated the matter and come to the conclusion God exists,after actually contemplating that He might not.They don't possess the courage.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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Could be that God (a partnership of all living things made Good according to GOD, working in union) need to be totally completely brought to bare witness as to what God is...and why God made us...Genesis 2:15

If humankind (for lack of a truer lable?) removes something "LIVING ENTITY" from the center point of the Garden and ate of it, which brought chaos to the living things that were once compliant To GOD....and the downfall for it into Death....Then putting that LIVING ENTITY back where it belongs might bring about the unification of all Living things, and eventually the complete Kingdom of GOD on Earth is made known...and if we make the kingdom of God, in peace under the laws precepts and covenants God asked we live by...then would not God and his son be in that estate or come to that estate?....willingly? with out fear of being slaughtered?

As something was taken (not Given) and it was taken in disobediance of what was said By God..(sin) was born in them...and before it was taken (stollen) God said not to touch it, nor to eat it...but to leave it alone at the center of the Garden...AS A PROMANANT PLACE WAS FOR IT>!

So here we have an error that should be corrected by us (Humans) who created the error as the act was in part with us,... to be welcomed into the Kingdom...Put back what was taken sinlessly or through disobediance...SINLESSLY....thus we now have a reason for the LAWS of GOD> to make us sinless enough...to restore that Plant...eventually if we follow..."Give onto God what belongs to GOD"...that was not given but stollen from him....

Reversing the Curse of death....is to undo what was done, or correct the error made...or restore Acts 3:21...and in that we learn to share like God shares everything...Genesis 9:3...and not profaning anything, or omitting anything (Cain) in the right intention or action of welbeing for ALL LIVING THINGS GOD MADE GOOD..or the mindset of WHy God made us Helpers of the Garden...to do the greator Good for all living things...that is the Kingdom of God....that is the wisdom of God...that is the Word of GOD>...

"Let the living care for the living" (Tend and keep the Garden)..."and let the dead burry the dead"... (Idolaters.)

Eventually the Love of God is born in us?, to do the right things for the right reasons, to see with the same eyes as God sees?...and why what was said, was best?...wouldn't that be to tend and keep something in good clean working order?... I think we have lost track of that intention God had for our making, and the first instructions Given to Adam.....and it seems to be addressed in the openning pages of a certain holy book....maybe for all to reread again in this bent and contorted moment of time?

THose who DO the WILL of the Father, Shall enter Paradise.....kind of a self fulfilling Paradox , I'd say.
Now look what is stopping that from being born...it is being oppressed, prohibited, and ruled out, and over ruled again and again by the rulers who tax and make pay the people under them....and still they have all the sins and Evils upon them, and with them....

If we draw lines...and see with open eyes...the systems they have made under the IDOL is not a good one, or have never really been Good at all, and every nation has it in its own flavour.

"You are making a den of robbers and theives" once upon a time uttered into wind and the faces of those who held it in any regard of worth.

"GIVE onto God what belongs to God"...and the kingdom is born through that....what is given to Caesar?.. what belongs to Caesar...for it is not made By God..., but by others sitting in his place of God, is not what God wants.....eh?
For if God wanted it...Yeshua, Jeshua, Jesus would not of kicked it out of his fathers house....Right?

So as we look at the world in termoil today under them who want the idol to solve for the mess it creates....the slaughtering continues...the poor, are oppressed, the eco systems are still being polluted...and the children are still being imprisoned, sacrificed, and slaughterd....more and more crime and corruption in the very systems which are now ruled by the IDOL...and of course more taxes, and higher cost to live in sin and Evil as our bed partners in life...never safe,...eh?

What was freely Given...is no longer free to have...and what is to now have, as bought under that IDOL is being polluted, and we are becoming defiled, profaned, unclean, filthy, vile, greedy, in contempt, and utterly forgotten by God?...Wonder why?.

Now if we want God to be with us...we have to be with God...we have to do what God asks...we have to behave as God wants...we have to become like God...and care not only for Our own kind..in all ways....But in the other living things here with us aswell....that is the greator Good of God working through us./to make that kingdom of God come.

And when the Kingdom comes, by our acts of good..with the givens God has Given us...in making things in order as they once were....then God will be with us...

For as I see it, Humankind has turned its back on God, and the reason for our making,,to a point of detramentals that now need to be solved for if we are to continue in time...and are now forgotten about ,the important things (no longer in our Care?) for something that is not important, and is behind the detramental estates now being fostered into the Earth by the order world of Man.

The Idol creates Poverty, destitution,crime,and even warfare...it restricts, it oppress, it denies us all that kingdom of peace, health and happiness....as it enslaves us into sin and creates it ,and commands it into being with us always...as it has always been in use since being told not to use it By the Laws of God....it is a dead thing, and if we impose all living things under it...then they too are dead things...if we put ourselves under it...we are dead to God.

See we are now a detramental agent to the planet Earth and all living things, and all other planets that support Life...in a natural way.
We do not care how many bugs splatter on the windshields of our pollution devices..or how much road kill is made...nor the amount of chemical poisons now in the food chain waitting for someone to eat...and die...another creation of that IDOL...Profaning what should not be profaned...so it can continue to cost and need to use....so that it does continue on.....DEATH...it is now being put into the food for profits and gains!

Is it clearer now?, or was it clearer then?, when such thinking, and words of truth... were too far a stretch of the imagination?...how did they know about Pollution before hand, and on such levels that all living things would become polluted or profaned or unclean...to such levels by Humans Unkind in their true nature?...or are we just starting to awaken to the truth of God and the IDOL and the industrial madness...to turn back before it is too late to turn back...TO GOD and see him waitting still for us to turn around and do the right things for the right reasons.......and make something worthy of Merit.

Maybe then God will come...?...Rev 17:17...still comes to mind.

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Old 04-23-2011, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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...and before it was taken (stollen) ....
"Stollen"?? Isn't that German Christmas cake??
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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I believe god doesn't make his presence obvious because he doesn't exist except in the minds of people who refuse to shake off the shackles of a primitive way of thinking.

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Old 04-23-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, for myself, I have read many of the holy books of different religions. You??
Sure. Not only the "holy books" but a lot of the commentaries and companion works as well, such as the Hadith (well...not ALL of the Hadith as I don't have years to spend wading through it all).
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