Why doesn't God make His presence too obvious to ignore? (grace, Jews)
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...and the "Primordial Soup" was not 'basically' dirt and water. Look it up.
I looked up primordial soup ingredients and all I got was some soup recipes. Can you tell me? Maybe was it some organic compounds mixed with some basic elements and rock?
Isn't that what dirt is?
Anyway, this is a red herring. It's off topic. It doesn't matter to the debate.
As I said, those laws are for our life on Earth. They affect our life on Earth. Obeying or disobeying them isn't what gets you into Heaven or Hell.
No, what you actually said was "We Christians are no longer under the rules and laws written out in the old testament." Given what both the OT and your Jesus said about the laws, I'm interested in how you come to that conclusion.
So you agree that the OT laws still stand whilst you are on Earth?
As in so far as they affect my life on Earth, yes. Some of them no longer apply because of practical reasons, like eating pork. We have knowledge now that keeps us safe from the disease we would get from eating pork. That pretty much nullifies the law about eating pork. Some of the laws, the laws of obedience, are now gone though. Take for instance working on the sabbath. That's gone. But all of the practical laws still affect our life here on Earth. But they don't affect our eternal life.
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I was referring to your comment re the 'primordial soup'.
WHAT?? No you weren't! You were referring to what actonbell said. In order for you to have said what you are saying you said it would be the same as
SmartAlx: A is B.
Rafius: That is not what you said. You didn't just say A is B.
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No, hell (whatever that is) is for those who reject Jesus Christ. Period.
This is true. A person can live their whole life immorally and on their death bed ask Jesus to come into their heart and be saved. It's a good thing I'm not a beating person, cause I really don't see the odds on that one, do you?
No, what you actually said was "We Christians are no longer under the rules and laws written out in the old testament." Given what both the OT and your Jesus said about the laws, I'm interested in how you come to that conclusion.
Cheese. Try to follow along.
OT rules, the practical rules, are guidelines on how we can make life on Earth good. They have no bearing on our eternal salvation. We still obey them but they don't affect our Christian life. They affect our... well our LIFE.
Okay. Wait. Hang on a sec. They CAN affect your eternal life if you DON'T do what is written in the New Testament. But you can't obey all of the OT laws perfectly. It's impossible. They were never meant to be the instrument that gets you into Heaven. Never. So Jesus made it easy.
John 3:16.
Incidentally Jews don't believe in an afterlife. The laws they obey don't have any bearing on the afterlife because they don't believe in the afterlife. So there is proof right there that the laws in the OT don't have anything to do with your afterlife.
Some of them no longer apply because of practical reasons, like eating pork. We have knowledge now that keeps us safe from the disease we would get from eating pork. That pretty much nullifies the law about eating pork. Some of the laws, the laws of obedience, are now gone though. Take for instance working on the sabbath. That's gone.
What part of 'the laws endureth forever' and 'not one letter, not one jot of the law will change' are you having problems with? The laws about eating pork, working on the Sabbath, not planting two different seeds in the same field, not wearing clothes made from two different cloths, killing disobedient children, killing homosexuals, killing women who are not virgins on their wedding night etc, are still in operation according to the OT and according to your Jesus. They "endureth forever". You can't abolish them just because you find them inconvenient in the modern world.
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WHAT?? No you weren't! You were referring to what actonbell said.
I was referring to what YOU said in post #176. I haven't even addressed a post by actonbell.
What part of 'the laws endureth forever' and 'not one letter, not one jot of the law will change' are you having problems with? The laws about eating pork, working on the Sabbath, not planting two different seeds in the same field, not wearing clothes made from two different cloths, killing disobedient children, killing homosexuals, killing women who are not virgins on their wedding night etc, are still in operation according to the OT and according to your Jesus. They "endureth forever". You can't abolish them just because you find them inconvenient in the modern world.
Again, they are for our life on Earth.
You don't read the Bible, do you? If you do would you please cite book and verse that shows God saying the OT laws are never going to change? Because I read the Bible, I have a lot of experience researching it and I can't find it.
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I was referring to what YOU said in post #176. I haven't even addressed a post by actonbell.
No. No you weren't.
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Actually according to evolution all life evolved from the "primordial soup" which is basically dirt and water.
Hardly what you said was it?
If you did then what you said made absolutely ZERO sense.
SmartAlx: A is B.
Rafius: That contradicts where you said A is B.
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.
The very essence of your words is truth; all your just regulations will stand forever.
There is nothing but truth in your word, and all of your righteous regulations endure forever.
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
What part of the above are you not following?
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