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Old 04-24-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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and is on the map. so is babylon... so why does people continue to say palestine never existed


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Old 04-25-2011, 07:54 PM
 
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Just a small hint you might want to consider (but only if you're interested in being taken seriously): do not quote the History Channel as an authoritative source.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:15 PM
 
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and is on the map. so is babylon... so why does people continue to say palestine never existed


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What people say that?There is a map in the back of my bible,it was certainly a region...not a country.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:38 PM
 
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Yes, Palestine is mentioned plenty of times, in the Bible too.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:06 PM
 
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do not quote the History Channel as an authoritative source.
Why not....
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:08 PM
 
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What people say that?There is a map in the back of my bible,it was certainly a region...not a country.

On a political scale..im sure none of those were destined countries but regions as you said but..the only thing that seems to be a legit area is the country of israel?
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:41 AM
 
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Palestine as a political entity and not just a geographical region dates back to the Assyrians. More recently is was a region then two during the Byzantian era, in modern times the British used it as the Palestinian Mandate and it included Jews, Christians and Arabs. As any nation, say Poland or Lithuania, its borders have changed and been in flux and sometimes it just was swallowed up. Before the State of Israel came into existence, Jews living in the area referred to themselves as Palestinians.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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Its use in the bible refers to philistia, land of the philistines, and refers only to the coast. The romans applied it to the whole land after defeating the Judean revolt. There is some debate about whether they used it that way to deliberately eliminate memory of Judea, or because greco-romans naturally used that term for the whole land (there is a claim philo used it that way). It would make sense for the greeks who were mariners, to name the land after the coastal region - certainly there is no evidence that the term was used that way earlier than the hellenistic periond, AFAIK. Or that it was used that way by people speaking languages native to the land (as opposed to greek and latin speakers)

AFTER the arab conquest, the name fell into disuse, until it was revived by the classically minded british.

Jews who lived in the Palestine mandate certainly did call themselves Palestinian Jews. But not before the land received that name again from late 19th century western europeans.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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oh, and philistia lost its independence sometime around the assyrian period, and never regained it after the babylonian conquest, AFAIK. During the period the entire land was called palestine, it was a roman province. When the name was revived it was a region of the ottoman empire (divided among different provinces, I think) and then was a mandate territory, until Israeli independence and the annexation of the west bank by Jordan. Ergo, it is correct that there was NEVER an independent country called Palestine. There was one called philistia (actually I think that was several city states) but that ended around 600 BCE.
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