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Old 05-09-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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LOL you can Identify as a Christian all you want, that dosnt make you a Christian. I know plenty of people who claim to be christian and these people never attend church services or read a Bible. Christianity is not just somthing to be beleived in, its a life style.

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got a link to support your claim of 80% identifying as a Christian??? Everything Ive heard is the exact opposit
No True Scotsman fallacy. Attending church and reading the Bible are not required to be Christian. By your argument, no one in this country is Christian, because every single one is hypocritical and ignores the majority of what Christianity is supposed to teach.

Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians, mostly within Protestant and Catholic denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively.

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Old 05-09-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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Americans are not very christian, certainly not worthy of admiration. Americans have little connection with Jesus, they just like to use the name and label themselves as christian, although their behavior contradicts the teachings of Jesus. It's a phony front.
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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No True Scotsman fallacy. Attending church and reading the Bible are not required to be Christian. By your argument, no one in this country is Christian, because every single one is hypocritical and ignores the majority of what Christianity is supposed to teach.

Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians, mostly within Protestant and Catholic denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively.
Nothing is required to CLAIM to be Christian. If you ignore the majority of what Christianity teaches, you very simply are NOT Christian. I can "claim" to be a scientist, but if I dont do any scientific experiments or anything else that a scientist does, am I really a scientist???
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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got a link to support your claim of 80% identifying as a Christian??? Everything Ive heard is the exact opposit
So a number of posters have given what you ask for. Where are YOUR links supporting YOUR claim that it isn't true? Huh??
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Nothing is required to CLAIM to be Christian. If you ignore the majority of what Christianity teaches, you very simply are NOT Christian. I can "claim" to be a scientist, but if I dont do any scientific experiments or anything else that a scientist does, am I really a scientist???
In which case, no body is Christian, so no one does what Christianity teaches. That's why it's called a fallacy.

Regardless, church and the bible are not requirements to be a Christian. Following Christ is.
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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So a number of posters have given what you ask for. Where are YOUR links supporting YOUR claim that it isn't true? Huh??
Well, the burden of proof falls on you because after all, you are making the claim. Again, you can claim that you are anything but if the religion you claim to be dosnt play an active role in your life, than you are not. Thus, any statistical results will be tainted and inaccurate because they include those individuals who are just "claiming" to be affiliated with this religion or that. If you could take a staistical survey on those who are actually doing their best to abide by the teachings of their religion and their heart is actually in it, I assure you, the numbers would be much lower.
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In which case, no body is Christian, so no one does what Christianity teaches. That's why it's called a fallacy.

Regardless, church and the bible are not requirements to be a Christian. Following Christ is.
I learned a long time ago that you cant use reason to prove anything to somone who already has their mind made up so, you win.
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Old 05-09-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Really? You don't care how many people or families addictions to drugs destroy? I guess you are lacking empathy, or are not a very decent person then. I have surmised that from your posts, so I'm not surprised.
I'm not empathetic. The only person I'm worried about is me.
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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I'm not empathetic. The only person I'm worried about is me.
And the only person you want to talk about, draw attention to, and distract every fracking thread about with your crap . . . is YOU! Get a life and stay out of the threads . . . if you are not going to make any meaningful contribution. No one gives a rats about you or your particular nihilistic attitudes . . . and your drive to raise your post count by ruining and distracting every thread just makes you a PITA. What a douche!
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Well, the burden of proof falls on you because after all, you are making the claim. Again, you can claim that you are anything but if the religion you claim to be dosnt play an active role in your life, than you are not. Thus, any statistical results will be tainted and inaccurate because they include those individuals who are just "claiming" to be affiliated with this religion or that. If you could take a staistical survey on those who are actually doing their best to abide by the teachings of their religion and their heart is actually in it, I assure you, the numbers would be much lower.
So you can't back up your claim. Fair enough!
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:47 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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There is a huge pressure from the Christian right to monopolise the government. I am a Christian, not American, but I see the danger in this.
One must remember that although the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written and signed by and large by godly people, those documents were specifically designed to ensure freedom of conscience and religious liberty, even liberty for unbelievers.
The future of your great nation looks decidedly dim, while the rest of the world ain't that hot either. The moral declension the Christian right fears and rails against and the financial crisis looming is a threat to all people, Christian and non-Christian alike. But the answer is not in politics. The US government as a political entity is not, nor ever was , a "Christian" government. And the only true hope for America is not in the "Christianizing" of the government, but in the heartfelt deep life-changing repentant soul-searching conversion of the individual American people.
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