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Old 05-11-2011, 09:39 AM
 
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Mystics and those who have had Near death experiences all have experienced a simliar spiritual reality that is incomprehensible (because it's a far different dimension than the physical reality) and thusly hard to put into words. This EXPERIENCED God is vastly different from the mythological deity found in ANY religion. Most likely any spiritual reality would be NATURAL (because it's a part of the way reality works) and most likely it pertains to EVERYONE and probably has NOTHING TO DO with ANY religious dogma.

Actually all the great mystics have said that to see God you have to give up the idea of 'God'. What they meant was that to experience God you have to give up false (religious) notions of what God is.

People experience God when there are brief moments when they have unconditional love for someone or something spontaneously. Religions are MENTAL BELIEF systems and have NOTHING TO DO with LOVE or treating others well etc.

Basically religions are local cults that grew in prominence.. Christian mystics said that they could use CHRISTIAN METAPHORS and SYMBOLS to try to EXPLAIN this INEFFABLE dimension, as well as Islamic mystics, Buddhist and Hindu mystics as well. They all ended up experiencing very similar things but tried to explain them within the religion and culture that they inhabited.
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Your "real God" is Satan. He has deceived you, and he will deceive multitudes more in the coming years.

Yea, hath God said? Questioning the word of Elohim
Ye shall not surely die? Direct lie

It's the same formula over and over. Sadly it keeps working. Our next step in evolution to obtain "christ consciousness."

We can be gods will be the lie. Don't fall for it.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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Your "real God" is Satan. He has deceived you, and he will deceive multitudes more in the coming years.

Yea, hath God said? Questioning the word of Elohim
Ye shall not surely die? Direct lie

It's the same formula over and over. Sadly it keeps working. Our next step in evolution to obtain "christ consciousness."

We can be gods will be the lie. Don't fall for it.

My 'real God' is EXISTENCE ITSELF, AWARENESS ITSELF and LIFE ITSELF. REALITY LOVE and EXISTENCE aren't Satan, but mythological textbooks that cause confusion, pain and suffering are.

Your 'we will be gods new age paranoia' has nothing to do with it. You lack the capacity to even ASSUME your WORLDVIEW and way of thinking might not be correct to even LEARN something or to truley understand or experience the NUMINOUS and TRUE God that exists in reality. People such as yourself are the FURTHEST from understanding 'God' because your beliefs and mentality come from the 'need to be right' that comes from the most ANCIENT part of the brain (the ego self)
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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My 'real God' is EXISTENCE ITSELF, AWARENESS ITSELF and LIFE ITSELF. REALITY LOVE and EXISTENCE aren't Satan, but mythological textbooks that cause confusion, pain and suffering are.

Your 'we will be gods new age paranoia' has nothing to do with it. You lack the capacity to even ASSUME your WORLDVIEW and way of thinking might not be correct to even LEARN something or to truley understand or experience the NUMINOUS and TRUE God that exists in reality. People such as yourself are the FURTHEST from understanding 'God' because your beliefs and mentality come from the 'need to be right' that comes from the most ANCIENT part of the brain (the ego self)
Hence the new age gospel is alive and well and preparing the sheep for the apostasy as predicted in the scriptures. Where's MysticPhD when you need support?

It will last 7 years.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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My 'real God' is EXISTENCE ITSELF, AWARENESS ITSELF and LIFE ITSELF. REALITY LOVE and EXISTENCE aren't Satan, but mythological textbooks that cause confusion, pain and suffering are.

Your 'we will be gods new age paranoia' has nothing to do with it. You lack the capacity to even ASSUME your WORLDVIEW and way of thinking might not be correct to even LEARN something or to truley understand or experience the NUMINOUS and TRUE God that exists in reality. People such as yourself are the FURTHEST from understanding 'God' because your beliefs and mentality come from the 'need to be right' that comes from the most ANCIENT part of the brain (the ego self)
Well, that sounds cool and all, but the Bible says the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. Repenting for our sins and accepting him into your heart. I mean, I understand what your trying to say. But to me, thinking of yourself as a God or divine being is kinda making the same mistake Satan did when he also wanted to be a God. So I believe it's much better when we submit ourselves to Christ and humble our hearts toward him so we could be an example of his love and his people and we accept his gift of salvation. Remember, we're only here on Earth for a little bit of time. Are you sure you want to go through it thinking your God when you can do better and submit yourself to a true, holy, and loving God that has a place prepared for us in Heaven?
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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My 'real God' is EXISTENCE ITSELF, AWARENESS ITSELF and LIFE ITSELF. REALITY LOVE and EXISTENCE aren't Satan, but mythological textbooks that cause confusion, pain and suffering are.

Your 'we will be gods new age paranoia' has nothing to do with it. You lack the capacity to even ASSUME your WORLDVIEW and way of thinking might not be correct to even LEARN something or to truley understand or experience the NUMINOUS and TRUE God that exists in reality. People such as yourself are the FURTHEST from understanding 'God' because your beliefs and mentality come from the 'need to be right' that comes from the most ANCIENT part of the brain (the ego self)
Matthew 7:6: "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

Some people will get it and some won't. Don't sweat it.

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Well, that sounds cool and all, but the Bible says the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ.
Of course it does, that's why it's the Bible and not the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Warren Commission report. Whether it's correct or not is another matter.

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Repenting for our sins and accepting him into your heart. I mean, I understand what your trying to say. But to me, thinking of yourself as a God or divine being is kinda making the same mistake Satan did when he also wanted to be a God.
I double checked his posts and didn't see anything about being God, just experiencing God. Two very different things.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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Hence the new age gospel is alive and well and preparing the sheep for the apostasy as predicted in the scriptures. Where's MysticPhD when you need support?

It will last 7 years.
Um, reality and existence aren't beliefs systems and have nothing to do with 'new age. This is how the mystical experience has been described since the most ancient times.

HRISTIAN MYSTICS AND MOVEMENTS
(1) Early Church

Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-c.107): Christocentric mystic. For him Christ's death and resurrection take on mystical significance.

St. Polycarp (c.69-c.155): Had a mystical vision which foretold his martyrdom by fire.

Justin Martyr (c.105-c.165): First Apology. Used Greek philosophy as the stepping-stone to Christian theology. The mystical conclusions that some Greeks arrived at, pointed to Christ. Influences: Pythagoras, Plato, Plotinus, Aristotle, Stoicism.

Irenaeus (c.125-c.202): Revolution and Overthrow of False Knowledge (or Against Heresies). Irenaeus' work was directed against Gnosticism. He emphasized John's gospel, particularly the Logos, which became the voice of God that revealed itself to all people.

Tertullian (c.155-c.222): To Martyrs, Apology, Against the Valentinians, Against Marcion, On the Soul. Emphasized a faith that was a contradiction to reason. "I believe because it is absurd." First to use trinitarian (three-in-one) formulation for God.

Origen (c.185-254): On Principles, Against Celsus. Studied under Clement of Alexandria, and probably also Ammonius Saccus (Plotinus' teacher). He Christianized and theologized neo-Platonism. Each soul has individually fallen (emanation), and must find its way back to God (return) through the help of the Logos, Christ. Origen looks quite Gnostic at times.

St. Antony (c.251-356): The Letters of St. Antony the Great. Early hermit or solitary monk, and a model for later monasticism, particularly of his eremetical type.

St. Athanasius (c.296-373): Against the Gentiles, Apology Against the Arians. Bishop of Alexandria (328-73), wrote a Life of Antony, and was an influence on later Eastern Orthodox mysticism.

Gregory of Nazianzus (329-389): Forty-five Sermons. One of the Cappadocians, early church fathers.

Basil the Great (c.330-379): Longer Rules, Liturgy of St. Basil. One of the Cappadocians, early church fathers. He gave a mystical orientation to the monastic movement.

Gregory of Nyssa (c.335-c.398): Dialogue with his Sister Macrina concerning the Resurrection. Believed that the universe existed as a harmonious order emanating from God. One of the Cappadocians.

Augustine (354-430): De Trinitate, Confessions. Important source for much mediaeval mysticism. Brings Platonism and Christianity together. He emphasizes the soul's search for God, made possible by the illumination of the mind of God. Influences: Plato, Plotinus.

(2) Mediaeval (Catholic and Orthodox) Church

Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite (writing c.500): The Celestial Hierarchy, the Mystical Theology, and The Divine Names. Originates the distinction between kataphatic and apophatic theology. Influences: Plotinus.

John Scotus Eriugena (c.810-c.877): Periphyseon. Eriugena translated Pseudo-Dionysius from Greek into Latin. He holds that humans are a microcosm of the universe. That which is shared, the essence of all things, is God. Influences: Plotinus, Augustine, Pseudo-Dionysius.

Bernard of Clairvaux (1091-1153): Sermons, De diligendo Deo, On the Love of God. Cistercian mystic. Promoted a mystical vision of rhapsodic love, in which the Church is described in erotic terms as the bride of Christ. His love-mysticism had the tendency to be anti-intellectual, as in his disputes with Abelard.

William of St.-Thierry (c.1085-1148): Golden Letter, On the Contemplation of God, On the Nature and Dignity of Love. A Cistercian contemporary of Bernard's, William also emphasized love-mysticism, but with subtle differences from Bernard in his use of Augustine.

Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179): Scivias, The Book of Divine Works, Letters. Early German speculative mystic, reminiscent of Isaiah or Ezekiel at times. She was greatly respected in her time, both for her writings as well as for her music and art. Influences: Augustine, Bernard of Clairvaux.

Victorines: Hugh of St. Victor (c.1096-c.1142), Richard of St. Victor (d. 1173): On Sacraments. Hugh is the more important of the two. He argues for a close tie between reason and mysticism.

Francis of Assisi (John Bernardone) (1182-1226): Canticle of the Sun. Founder of the Franciscan order, which emphasized self-renunciation and poverty. Francis approaches nature mysticism at times, particularly when he sees God in all living things.

Albertus Magnus (1206-1280): The teacher of Thomas Aquinas. In the tradition of Pythagoras, emphasized the essential unity of science and mysticism. Influences: Augustine, Pseudo-Dionysius.

Beatrice of Nazareth (1200-1268): The Seven modes of Sacred Love. Belgian Cistercian mystic. Associated with the Beguines. Influences: Augustine.

Mechthild of Magdeburg (1207-1282): The Flowing Light of the Godhead. Strongly feminine images in mysticism. Devotional mystic. Associated with the Beguines. Influences: Bernard of Clairvaux, Hildegard, Gregory the Great.

Bonaventure (John Fidanza) (1217-1274): The Mind's Road to God, The Tree of Life, The Life of St. Francis. Franciscan monk, and the architect of the philosophical, theological, and mystical side of Francis' thought. Mysticism in the Augustinian tradition. Influences: Augustine, St. Francis of Assisi, Victorines.

St. Thomas Aquinas (1224-1275): Summa Theologica, De Anima, many others. Dominican monk and the greatest Catholic theologian and philosopher. Late in life, he had a mystical experience which caused him to question his scholastic past. Influences: Aristotle, Augustine, Pseudo-Dionysius, Eriugena.

Ramon Llull (c.1235-1315): Great Art, The Book of the Lover and the Beloved. Franciscan. Legend has it that Llull wrote 200 works, was an alchemist and a magician. He also worked on the logic of science. The "Great Art" is the scientific and mystical calculation of the interrelations of all things. Influences: Bonaventure.

Angela of Foligno (c.1248-1309): The Book of Divine Consolations of the Blessed Angela of Foligno. Mysticism is based on the facts of Christ's life and death. Influences: Francis of Assisi, Bonaventure.

Marguerite Porete (d. 1310): The Mirror of Simple Souls.

Meister Eckhart (1260-1327/8): Sermons, Parisian Questions and Prologues. [Some English-language selections from his writings are available.] Dominican monk. One of the most important early German speculative mystics. Eckhart is the first of the so-called "Rhineland" mystics. The Sermons were in German, the academic works in Latin. Influences: Pseudo-Dionysius.

Hadewijch (Adelwip) of Brabant/Antwerp (13th century): Letters, Poems in Stanzas, Visions, Poems in Couplets. Belgian Beguine. One of the greatest exponents of love mysticism. Influences: Plato, Plotinus, Pseudo-Dionysius, Gregory of Nyssa, Richard of St. Victor.

Jan van Ruysbroeck (1293-1381): The Adornment of the Spiritual Marriage (Spiritual Espousals), The Sparkling Stone, The Book of Supreme Truth. Flemish mystic, sometimes considered one of the Rhineland mystics. Outlines the stages of the mystical life. Influences: Eckhart, Hadewijch.

Henry Suso (1295-1366): The Little Book of Truth, The Little Book of Wisdom (Horologium Sapientiae). A Rhineland mystic. Influences: Eckhart.

Gregory Palamas (1296-1359): Eastern Orthodox mystic. Influences: Pseudo-Dionysius, Athanasius.

Johannes Tauler (1300-1361): Sermons. Rhineland mystic and Dominican. Tauler emphasized the inner person rather than outer works, and because of this became popular in Protestant circles in the Reformation, and later Pietism and Romanticism. He was part of the same community that produced the Theologia Germanica. Influences: Eckhart, Mechthild of Magdeburg.

Anonymous (c.1350-1400): Theologia Germanica or Theologia Deutsch. Important influence in the German mystical tradition. Luther rediscovered and popularized it. Influences: Augustine, Eckhart, Tauler.

Richard Rolle (1300-1349): The Fire of Love. Part of the "English school" of late mediaeval mysticism. Emphasizes the "physicality" of the mystical experience (feeling heat, seeing colours, etc.).

Birgitta (Brigida) Suecica of Sweden (1302-1373): Ascetic mystic. Heavily involved in political activity. Influences: St. Francis of Assisi.

Anonymous (c.1349-c.1395): The Cloud of Unknowing, [as modernized, see also early text] The Book of Privy Council. Part of the "English school" of late mediaeval mysticism. The emphasis on "unknowing" God is part of Pseudo-Dionysius' apophatic theology. Influences: Pseudo-Dionysius.

Walter Hilton (d. 1395): The Scale (Ladder) of Perfection, Epistle to a Devout Man. An Augustinian monk, Hilton was an English mystic.

Julian of Norwich (1342-1413?): Showings or Revelations of Divine Love. Julian was part of the "English school" of late mediaeval mysticism. Mystical experience that came at the point of death. The experience came with healing, and she devoted her life to understanding her vision. Influences: Pseudo-Dionysius, Aquinas (?).

Margery Kempe (c.1413): Mainly known as the biographer of Julian of Norwich.

Catherine of Siena (1347-1380): Il Dialogo. Italian. Mystic; advisor to Pope Gregory XI. Influences: Augustine.

Thomas à Kempis (c.1380-1471): The Imitation of Christ. Augustinian monk. Finest expression of devotio moderna, modern spirituality, which downplays the Rhineland mystics' concern with contemplation and speculative theology, and stresses the practice of simple piety and asceticism. Influences: Eckhart.

Nicolaus of Cusa (Cusanus, Nikolaus Krebs) (1401-1464): The Vision of God (1453), De Docta Ignorantia. German mystic. Part of the revival of Platonism in the Renaissance. Cusanus was a speculative mystic who emphasized the incomprehensibility and paradoxicality of God. Influences: Plotinus, Pseudo-Dionysius, Eckhart.

St. Catherine of Genoa (1447-1510): Life and Doctrines, Treatise on Purgatory. Mysticism spurred in part by the abuse and neglect by her husband. Her trauma becomes mystical as she argues that purgatory is a stage on the mystical path, the final purification of the effects of self-love.

Teresa of Avila (1515-1582): Life, by Herself; The Way of Perfection; The Interior Castle. Spanish Carmelite nun. Formed the Discalced (Barefoot) Carmelites, with St. John of the Cross. Is very important for describing the stages of the mystical journey. Influences: Augustine.

St. John of the Cross (Juan de Yepes) (1542-1591): Dark Night of the Soul and Ascent of Mt. Carmel. Spanish mystic. (Discalced Carmelite) Both John and Teresa emphasize mysticism as union with God, attainable only in the denial of the self. Influences: Teresa of Avila.

Giordano Bruno (1548-1600): Hermetic philosopher, one of the most importa
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Old 05-11-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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Well, that sounds cool and all, but the Bible says the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. Repenting for our sins and accepting him into your heart. I mean, I understand what your trying to say. But to me, thinking of yourself as a God or divine being is kinda making the same mistake Satan did when he also wanted to be a God. So I believe it's much better when we submit ourselves to Christ and humble our hearts toward him so we could be an example of his love and his people and we accept his gift of salvation. Remember, we're only here on Earth for a little bit of time. Are you sure you want to go through it thinking your God when you can do better and submit yourself to a true, holy, and loving God that has a place prepared for us in Heaven?

ALL religions have both a branch for the 'people of the book' such as yourself who are unable to comprehend the REALITY of situation

and MYSTICS>

all religions have MYSTICAL branches too them, and without them religions DIE.

the fact is the REALITY of the situation is REAL but can't be known or SEEN by everyone, so a simple book belief that has little to do with this unspeaKable reality is needed for people such as yourself,

who just don't get it.
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Old 05-11-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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Hence the new age gospel is alive and well and preparing the sheep for the apostasy as predicted in the scriptures. Where's MysticPhD when you need support?

It will last 7 years.
actually the apostasy is FUNDAMENTALISM it actually epitomizes evil in EVERY WAY it's actually LESS spiritual than just being born and not believing in anything it's actually ANTI SPIRITUAL REALITY aka ANTI CHRIST
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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The god of the Christian/Jews/Muslims is clearly Satan since 3,000+ years of worshiping him has resulted in little more than eons of human suffering.

Good job all you Satanists out there. :-)
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