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Old 09-07-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I see the opposite. There is no reason everybody can not get to heaven. It all comes down to personal choices.
So what?

The point still remains that, personal choices or not, the vast majority of humanity has never been Christian. And if Christianity is true, that has always been "God's plan."
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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So what?

The point still remains that, personal choices or not, the vast majority of humanity has never been Christian. And if Christianity is true, that has always been "God's plan."
If they have never heard of Islam and it is not possible for them to learn of it they will not be judged for what they do not know. We do not believe Allaah(swt) will judge people for what they do not know. A person is required to be the best Muslim they can be. Refusing to be Muslim after learning of it is another issue. but what who has a valid reason for not knowing will not be judged for what they do not know.
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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If Your God Created This Perfect World and Everything That Your God Made/Makes Is Perfect, Then Why All the Evil?

I have to laugh every time I hear some creationist bloviate about god and the perfect world. I challenge them to live outside, without shelter, without technology for a year and tell me how perfect this world is for humans, that is if they survive.

They will suffer horrible sunburn, majority of the time they will be uncomfortable to life threatening just in temperature swings. They will be threatened by many things from microbes to predators, to insects, to plants that are poisonous.
Laugh? None of those things are funny.
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Old 09-10-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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What exactly is your idea of a "secular religion"? Please expand on that.
One that is anti-supernaturalism .
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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Laugh? None of those things are funny.
You are correct, such levels of stupidity, ignorance and denial of reality on the part of those that believe their god created this 'perfect' world for them is far from funny, it is down right scary. These people vote and raise children, and that is disturbing.

As for my examples of how harsh this planet is toward our species, those are just the facts. Be grateful for the science that allows to live a somewhat comfortable life, as science is what shelters and feeds us.

Science allows us to build buildings (shelter) to protect us from the extremes of the planet, religion causes people to fly airplanes into those buildings.
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You are correct, such levels of stupidity, ignorance and denial of reality on the part of those that believe their god created this 'perfect' world for them is far from funny, it is down right scary. These people vote and raise children, and that is disturbing.

As for my examples of how harsh this planet is toward our species, those are just the facts. Be grateful for the science that allows to live a somewhat comfortable life, as science is what shelters and feeds us.

Science allows us to build buildings (shelter) to protect us from the extremes of the planet, religion causes people to fly airplanes into those buildings.
Science doesn't care if we starve to death or blow ourselves up or fly planes into buildings or drop atomic bombs on each other, does it?
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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Science doesn't care if we starve to death or blow ourselves up or fly planes into buildings or drop atomic bombs on each other, does it?
Nope, and neither does your imaginary god. It is all the work of man, but the sick part is that man practices the willful ignorance in the existence of gods to justify their hatred.
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