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Old 08-25-2011, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Find your own truth, if you are capable.
How many times do you have to be told...there is no such thing as 'personal truth'. Something is either true or or isn't.

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The omnimax deity is not seeking knowledge, obviously.
Then what is it seeking by 'testing'?
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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How many times do you have to be told...there is no such thing as 'personal truth'. Something is either true or or isn't.
That is absolute black/white thinking. Autistic people think this way.

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Then what is it seeking by 'testing'?
Are you asking why God tests people?
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Are you asking why God tests people?
I'm asking why an omnimax deity would test someone to find out what someone would do in response to the post by lee9786
"This is all a test. God knows what choices we will make in the end."

What is the point of testing someone to see what choices someone would make when the choices that will be made are already known to the person that is doing the testing?
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Lucifer was in all probability the greatest being next to God Himself that has ever existed at any time. He was perfect in his ways from the day he was created until inquity was found in him. Apparently, his good looks and perfect ways went to his head and his heart was lifted up with vanity and as a result he corrupted his mind which led to rebellion against God.

Here's what happened after his mind took the wrong turn. He decided that he wanted to replace God and become like the most high:
And your god didn't see this coming when he created Lucifer?
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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If Your God Created This Perfect World and Everything That Your God Made/Makes Is Perfect, Then Why All the Evil?
Why are atheists so blind to the fact of human depravity?
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'm asking why an omnimax deity would test someone to find out what someone would do in response to the post by lee9786
"This is all a test. God knows what choices we will make in the end."

What is the point of testing someone to see what choices someone would make when the choices that will be made are already known to the person that is doing the testing?
Why ask questions to whcih you already know the answers?
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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And your god didn't see this coming when he created Lucifer?
Honestly, it's hard for anyone here to comment on what God did or did not see coming.
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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The Islamic view of this world is a bit different from the Christian view. We do not believe Adam and Eve were sent out of paradise as a punishment. We believe the world was created for mankind and it was always intended for Adam and Eve to be on Earth. We do not believe that earth was created as a permanent dwelling place. We believe it to be a place of trials and learning. It is here we get get to learn and from what we learn be able to make an educated choice as to if we desire to follow or not follow Allaah(swt). We do not believe Satan was a "Fallen Angel" We believe angels do not have free will and can only obey Allaah(swt) without choice. Since Iblis did have free will we do do not believe he was an Angel, but a different being which we call Jinn (Djinn) We believe Jinn like Humans have free will, are mortal, are born and die, they like Humans have to make the choice of following or not following Allaah(swt). We do not believe shaytan is a specific being, any creature with free will can be of the shaytan. Iblis is the best known of the shaytan. We do believe the Jinn do inahbit earth with us Humans, but are on a different plane of existence and normally can not be seen by humans. We do believe there are both good and evil Jinn(Shaytans) which while having no power do try to lead man astray. We do believe there are many worlds. Earth is the one we inhabit.


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1. Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi
2. Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
3. Alrrahmani alrraheemi
4. Maliki yawmi alddeeni
5. Iyyaka naAAbudu waiyyaka nastaAAeenu
6. Ihdina alssirata almustaqeema
7. Sirata allatheena anAAamta AAalayhim ghayri almaghdoobi Aalayhim wala alddalleena
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1 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
5 Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6 Show us the straight way,
7 The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) . is not wrath, and who go not astray
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is all because this version of the God didn't expect Satan winning and Him having to scramble and create earth... in the hurry, obviously, an imperfect world was created and this version of God has had to fight off His arch-nemesis ever since.
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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It is all because this version of the God didn't expect Satan winning and Him having to scramble and create earth... in the hurry, obviously, an imperfect world was created and this version of God has had to fight off His arch-nemesis ever since.
God is perfect, we are not. Satan was created by God for a purpose which we don't understand and never will in this life but rest assured that God made NO mistakes in his creation. It is exactly how He wants it to be. All was planned from the beginning, the Bible is clear about that. There's nothing haphazard when it comes to God.

And btw, Satan doesn't win, God and Jesus do. ALL of creation will come to know and love God either in this life or the next.
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