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Old 08-31-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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God is perfect, we are not. Satan was created by God for a purpose which we don't understand and never will in this life but rest assured that God made NO mistakes in his creation. It is exactly how He wants it to be. All was planned from the beginning, the Bible is clear about that. There's nothing haphazard when it comes to God.

And btw, Satan doesn't win, God and Jesus do. ALL of creation will come to know and love God either in this life or the next.
We can pretend to not understand, but if Satan was a deliberate creation, and presented as a formidable opponent, then this version of the God wanted to play games. After all, there is the threat of punishment and torture to the "pawns" who fall into the hands of one of His impressive opponent. No?
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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God is perfect, we are not. Satan was created by God for a purpose which we don't understand and never will in this life but rest assured that God made NO mistakes in his creation. It is exactly how He wants it to be. All was planned from the beginning, the Bible is clear about that. There's nothing haphazard when it comes to God.

And btw, Satan doesn't win, God and Jesus do. ALL of creation will come to know and love God either in this life or the next.
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We can pretend to not understand, but if Satan was a deliberate creation, and presented as a formidable opponent, then this version of the God wanted to play games. After all, there is the threat of punishment and torture to the "pawns" who fall into the hands of one of His impressive opponent. No?
Everything in our reality conforms to the "laws" God has established, period. The process that produces Spirit requires the opposition of vibratory energy. The Serpent (Old Brain ) produces the negative, unloving vibratory energy of our carnal drives . . . our consciousness (Big Brain) produces the opposing loving vibratory energy of our maturing Spirit. The meeting of these two opposing energies adds to our embryo Spirit's development. Einstein described the process of creating the vast Void of outer space . . . (what I call the Universal Field or Consciousness of God). In discussing dematerialization, Einstein described how such an effect could be achieved without there being any real emptiness,

. . . a superposition of two oppositely oriented local curvatures of the non-Euclidean time-space which would cancel each other like two waves of equal amplitude meeting at opposite phases and the result would be a local disappearance of the non-Euclidean curvature. That particular region of time-space would acquire the homogeneous and undifferentiated character which characterizes what we call 'void' or 'absence of matter.'

That is the merging of two "opposing" energy events . . . like drive energy generated by our animal nature (Serpent) meeting an "opposing" drive energy in our consciousness (Big Brain) generated by our soul. Think about it!

The cumulative “unmeasurable life energy” that has been created throughout the universe since its inception . . . conscious and non-conscious . . . is sufficient to account for the continuous creation of dark energy that fuels the continuous expansion of the universe! Understanding the purpose of Satan or the Serpent is not really beyond our ability, Ilene. To refresh our memories . . . Meet The Serpent.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:43 AM
 
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Everything in our reality conforms to the "laws" God has established, period. The process that produces Spirit requires the opposition of vibratory energy. The Serpent (Old Brain ) produces the negative, unloving vibratory energy of our carnal drives . . . our consciousness (Big Brain) produces the opposing loving vibratory energy of our maturing Spirit. The meeting of these two opposing energies adds to our embryo Spirit's development. Einstein described the process of creating the vast Void of outer space . . . (what I call the Universal Field or Consciousness of God). In discussing dematerialization, Einstein described how such an effect could be achieved without there being any real emptiness,

. . . a superposition of two oppositely oriented local curvatures of the non-Euclidean time-space which would cancel each other like two waves of equal amplitude meeting at opposite phases and the result would be a local disappearance of the non-Euclidean curvature. That particular region of time-space would acquire the homogeneous and undifferentiated character which characterizes what we call 'void' or 'absence of matter.'

That is the merging of two "opposing" energy events . . . like drive energy generated by our animal nature (Serpent) meeting an "opposing" drive energy in our consciousness (Big Brain) generated by our soul. Think about it!

The cumulative “unmeasurable life energy” that has been created throughout the universe since its inception . . . conscious and non-conscious . . . is sufficient to account for the continuous creation of dark energy that fuels the continuous expansion of the universe! Understanding the purpose of Satan or the Serpent is not really beyond our ability, Ilene. To refresh our memories . . . Meet The Serpent.
You shouldn't pretend to respond to someone's specific post if all you're doing is going about personal rambling that you could have done regardless. But since you did quote me, just tell me why God created evil, and is said to punish and torture those who fall for His creation?
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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God is perfect, we are not. Satan was created by God for a purpose which we don't understand and never will in this life but rest assured that God made NO mistakes in his creation. It is exactly how He wants it to be. All was planned from the beginning, the Bible is clear about that. There's nothing haphazard when it comes to God.

And btw, Satan doesn't win, God and Jesus do. ALL of creation will come to know and love God either in this life or the next.
Hmmm...odd though, that the Satan of the Old Testament is not the same Satan of the New Testament. The Jewish Satan (Angel in the Court of God - the Accuser) and the Christian Satan (Devil, ultimate evil, the Opposer) are very different fellows. How do you account for this?
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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"...Satan who in the form of a serpent convinced Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit and then she gave to Adam and he not being deceived ate the forbidden fruit that God had commanded them not to eat..."
So, your god put two trees in the garden: the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Your god told Adam and Eve -- who by the way could not discern between good and evil before eating from the tree -- that they shouldn't eat from the tree.

So Eve, not having any concept of sin or evil or that the action she was committing was "wrong", goes and with the curiosity that her creator gave her, decides to see what the fruit of the tree tastes like. Only AFTER she actually eats from the tree does she have the capacity to tell the difference between good and evil.

Seems pretty damned trollish of your god to create his humans without the ability to grok good and evil, and ONLY impart that ability to them if they eat a certain fruit, but then deny them that fruit. Especially since he's supposed to be omniscient, he would KNOW that they were going to try it, and KNOW that by denying them the ability to discern right from wrong that they wouldn't realize they were doing anything wrong, and he would KNOW that the curiosity he gave them would make them eat the fruit. But it's their fault? Not only that, but every human being in existence is now held accountable for something that we didn't do in the first place. Isn't god wonderful?

So if your god actually existed (which I outright disbelieve) then he would be a terribly sadistic, petty, manipulative, horrid being unworthy of our love and worship.
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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So, your god put two trees in the garden: the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Your god told Adam and Eve -- who by the way could not discern between good and evil before eating from the tree -- that they shouldn't eat from the tree.

So Eve, not having any concept of sin or evil or that the action she was committing was "wrong", goes and with the curiosity that her creator gave her, decides to see what the fruit of the tree tastes like. Only AFTER she actually eats from the tree does she have the capacity to tell the difference between good and evil.
Lesson: Beware of "players".
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:58 PM
 
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You shouldn't pretend to respond to someone's specific post if all you're doing is going about personal rambling that you could have done regardless. But since you did quote me, just tell me why God created evil, and is said to punish and torture those who fall for His creation?
God does not create evil . . . we do. God does not punish and torture either.His laws establish the constraints of our reality and there are consequences for failing to abide by them. Try violating His law of gravity. Consequences whether negative or not do not constitute punishment.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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I like Satan better than anyone god created, including himself.
That's hardcore.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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God does not create evil . . . we do. God does not punish and torture either.His laws establish the constraints of our reality and there are consequences for failing to abide by them. Try violating His law of gravity. Consequences whether negative or not do not constitute punishment.
What else can humans create that God did not and hates? For that matter, why did the Biblical God create a world that would leave room for creation of something He, clearly, hates? Just so He can watch people fall for it, so He can later punish and torture them doesn't make for a good excuse, does it?
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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What else can humans create that God did not and hates? For that matter, why did the Biblical God create a world that would leave room for creation of something He, clearly, hates? Just so He can watch people fall for it, so He can later punish and torture them doesn't make for a good excuse, does it?
God does not hate . . . that is another human weakness. We are a species evolving and maturing . . . not a creation perfectly manifesting. EVERYTHING in our reality evolves AND matures in its time . . . that is the design. We are beyond our species childhood . . . but not yet at our full adulthood.
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