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Old 09-02-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Ah but, violating the law of gravity has an immediate consequence.
The falling down does not wait to occur until after you're dead.
According to you, one will have to answer for ....whatever you label anti-loving thoughts or actions.....in the 'afterlife'.
The consequences of Violating God(swt)'s laws does begin immediately. Although, we may not understand we are being punished at the time. The Fruit of Sin is a very toxic fruit that begins destroying and entrapping us with the first taste. While the fruit may taste good, we soon discover it is imprisoning us and killing our free will. we enter into a spiral path that forces us into a life of deception to cover our acts and we begin the physical torments of fear, shame, guilt, remorse, deception and loss of well being.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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God does not hate . . .
What was the point of "cleaning up" thru Moses, the Noah flood, the revelations...? The existence of hell? Were these designed for those He loves? Or, at least is merely "neutral" about?
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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God never intended to make this world perfect. Humans' own arrogance assumes that He did so.

God's intension is to make His Kingdom in Heaven perfect, not earth. Ever since Adam's fall in Eden, earth is never inside God's realm. Satan is the 'king' here. And Law is made based on how His Kingdom in Heaven shall be protected. To simply put, His Law prevents those unqualified to enter His Kingdom of Heaven to screw things up there. And He intentionally shew His concern through Adam that even a perfect figure such as Adam will fail to survive His Kingdom in eternity if he lacks faith. So somehow you'll be filtered out by His Law in lacking faith (and love). This is done for the love of human race not here on earth, but for the human race which will exist in the future eternity.

So after leaving earth, some humans will be left isolated from God (you don't want to be with someone you never like, do you?). And what you will be will be totally upon yourself. But without God as a standard, you are expected to turn yourself into an evil similar to Satan and his fallen angels. If this is the case, the fire awaits.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: OKC
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God is really a great prankster. He tormented Job for the lulz, for example.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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God is really a great prankster. He tormented Job for the lulz, for example.
It's actually a standard for His servant. He says through Job that God might go to an extent but within your ability of bearing. So Job never complains. And His servants seldom complain as God knows the limit of how much they can bear.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: OKC
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It's actually a standard for His servant. He says through Job that God might go to an extent but within your ability of bearing. So Job never complains. And His servants seldom complain as God knows the limit of how much they can bear.

Outside of the fact that God tells you he is good, what makes you think that he actually IS good?

Couldn't he just be a bad God that is lying to you?

After all, he killed a lot innocent people, recommended genocide, infanticide, etc.


I guess if you believe he is real you should fear him, but there's not much reason to like him. He's kind of like the leader of North Korea, in that way. We didn't elect him to be our leader, but we're stuck with him and he'll torture us if we don't worship him, so what's a guy to do.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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God never intended to make this world perfect. Humans' own arrogance assumes that He did so.
Revelations is about regaining perfection. That would contradict with the premise you began with. In fact, through out the Bible, God appears to have demanded perfection. Why would He not?

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God's intension is to make His Kingdom in Heaven perfect, not earth. Ever since Adam's fall in Eden, earth is never inside God's realm. Satan is the 'king' here.
And that too was God's intent.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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.....rest assured that God made NO mistakes in his creation.
"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

Why did he grieve if it was something he wanted and planned?
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Yo, Orestes . . . how's it going? Measurability is not definition. Dark energy is not measurable but it and its effects are defined. Dark matter is not measurable but it and its effects are defined. Consciousness is not measurable but it and its effects are defined. How are we tracking?
Good time to mention something. It is not that long ago that Psychology was considered intangible and deemed to be a field of philosophy. However Freud set the ground work to measure the psyche and human behavior. Moving psychology to a field of science.

Yes, the effects of the intangible can be defined, and it is probable that once the effects become further defined, they will become measurable. While today Dark Energy is not measurable, it may be measurable in the future.
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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If Your God Created This Perfect World and Everything That Your God Made/Makes Is Perfect, Then Why All the Evil?

I have to laugh every time I hear some creationist bloviate about god and the perfect world. I challenge them to live outside, without shelter, without technology for a year and tell me how perfect this world is for humans, that is if they survive.

They will suffer horrible sunburn, majority of the time they will be uncomfortable to life threatening just in temperature swings. They will be threatened by many things from microbes to predators, to insects, to plants that are poisonous.
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