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If any self proclaimed Christian particpated in the murder of people, they are again, in direct confrontation with the words spoken by Jesus Christ.
And what other Christians did was irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that if they lived their life by the words of Jesus Christ, they would not responsible for this genocide.
And perhaps Hitler wasn't the best example because I believe that he believed he was a God, but he certainly did not follow the principles of Christianity.
Stalin; however, just did not believe in ultimate consequences, so he did what was natural.
This one reminds me that Jim Jones was a minister in the Disciples Of Christ church.
Atheists are indoctrinated that there is no God, so there are no consequences. Additionally, they are told that they will no longer exist once their life is extinguished as there is no aftelife.
Christians for instance, are indoctrinated that they have consequences in the afterlife for the way they've lived their life, and to love your brothers and sisters, show mercy, and be selfless.
Who would you rather have governing you?
Every word in this post is wrong. I think that set a forum record.
Hitler is quoted as having told Minister of Justice Hans Frank that he has come to fulfill the curse imposed by the Jews themselves in the New Testament: “His (Jesus') blood be upon us and upon our children.” Hitler, born and raised as a Roman Catholic, stated that had Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, been fully aware of the Jewish threat, he would not have criticized Catholicism; instead, he would have put all of his energy into attacking the Jews. Luther was fully anti-semetic BTW.
Just for the record, it was Himmler that was into the occult thing. It is said that Hitler had a problem with all that, but tolerated it so long as Himmler did what he was told. It's probably true of his actual relationship to Christianity. He used it to get what he wanted.
He was lying maybe? This is Hitler we are talking about. The fact that he made agreements to appease certain people doesn't mean anything considering what he ended up doing. See post 31. Anyone saying Hitler was Christian is sadly misinformed.
One quick Google search found dozens of places confirming that Hitler was Christian.
I get what OP is saying and sort of agree. There are all types of people, and some people will do the "right" thing because thats who they are. Some, and I feel most people, are selfish and do things to please themselves first. Others may be on the border of the two, but do what is right due to their belief that they will be rewarded, and there is NOTHING wrong with that. I'd rather have these people (religious typically) than have them not religious and do what they want because there is ultimately no consequence.
Consequences keep the majority of people in line. Fear of going to prison for example. I also notice the large amount of kids these days that are smart asses, and I think its due to lack of consequence. Whether its their parents or the fact that I can't simply do as much as give them a shove to shut them up. I deal with these kids every weekend, and believe me, they get mouthy because they think there are no consequences. A few of them have learned to keep quiet, but its generally risky business in todays society.
I 100% feel if tomorrow, someone managed to prove there is no afterlife, all you have is this life, and when its done it turns to nothing, no consequences, you don't remember anything, youre insignificant, you will see an increase in crime and selfishness.
What is this about Hitler was christian obsession. Hitler was not Christian. He was crazy, a mad man, despite what he wants to claim or anyone else.
I can claim I'm a martian, are you going to believe it. Any madman can claim they are some religion, and opposing religions (or atheists) love t jump on the gun saying look how crazy these religious people are! Those people are fanatics, just like the terrorist that do this in the name of Allah.
I 100% feel if tomorrow, someone managed to prove there is no afterlife, all you have is this life, and when its done it turns to nothing, no consequences, you don't remember anything, youre insignificant, you will see an increase in crime and selfishness.
Atheists don't believe in an afterlife, yet you don't see swarms of atheists committing heinous crimes across the globe, do you? Which is exactly what the OP was implying would happen if there was no religion. Religion does not dictate my choices and my views of right and wrong. A lack of religion doesn't suddenly skew that line between right and wrong.
I 100% feel if tomorrow, someone managed to prove there is no afterlife, all you have is this life, and when its done it turns to nothing, no consequences, you don't remember anything, youre insignificant, you will see an increase in crime and selfishness.
If that happens, it'll be due to Christians and other religious people. Atheists believe in being upstanding citizens for the sake of humanity. Why on earth would good people turn into monsters just because of no afterlife?
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