How is the Bible incompatible with evolution? (Egyptian, prophecy, Commandments)
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So what is the point of your post, Mind Over Chatter? You asked a question and you provided a full, complete answer.
Like the guy who said, "The bible said it, I believe it, and that ends it."
The point is in the OP as outlined below. What I was hoping to show is that when a Christian accepts evolution, then what they are doing is rendering the Bible as worthless for any type of witnessing or salvation.
"You see if you remove the creation story from the Bible, you might as well get rid of the whole Bible because the whole Bible supports and is dependent on the Genesis creation story being true. If there is no literal creation story, there is no Adam, no original sin, no need for a second Adam, Jesus and no need for salvation. Your salvation testimony verifies that the creation story in the Bible is literal and true."
To God " a minute is but a thousand years and a thousand years but a minute" - that explains it all - 6 billion years or 6 days...there is time line here that is humanly perceptable....We jump on this bit about the world being created in 6 days - that's the ancient primative human interpretation of time...to GOD time does not exist..but to us it does so we bicker about what is not real.
Like in the OP, the Ten Commandments supports the creation story as being a literal 6 day creation, not millions of years. It is impossible for us to work millions of years then rest millions of years. Also any other time in the Bible when it says a day followed by morning and evening, it means a literal day.
Exodus 20: “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Ever since the advent of Darwin, geology and other various factors in the past couple hundred years, some Christians have been scrambling to make an ancient text (that did not contain Darwinian or factual Geologic data concerning the age of the Earth) fit the most recent findings of science. To do this, they must re-interpret the text of the Bible to mean the opposite of what it actually says.
One small example - highlighted by the above poster:
The first Creative Account has God creating things in the space of 6 days. To interpret what kind of day ("yom") the writer is using, one must use the context. The context points to a literal 24-hour day - no matter how unscientific this may be. Genesis makes lots of crazy claims that are just scientifically absurd, but it's wishful thinking to interpret them away as if they are not what the ancient writers meant.
I don't think the account in Genesis is factual - but I'm also not going to try to make it fit into modern scientific ideas, so that some believers may still claim that the Bible is true (when reinterpreted to their pleasure). If a religious believer feels there is a God, and that God is represented in the Bible, then so be it - stick by your God, I suppose. Anything else cheapens the image of God as presented in the Bible. Was God so weak that a literal 24-hour day was not enough time to create something? That is the usual sense I get from some Christians who use the "one day is a thousand years" argument. IN addition - even were one day a thousand years, this is still not enough time for the evolutionary and geologic ideas that the reinterpration is being made for (granted, the original interpretation was to combat the dashed hopes of an imminent return of Christ - but the point still remains).
Christians please see this post. It validates my point that if you accept evolution you render the gospel useless.
God does not condone institutionalized stupidity - no matter what man made book it comes out of...any idiot, religious or not can look at a fossil and know that it could be 1200 year old or 12 million years old. I love the bible - new testitment mostly - cos it is the most hopeful and useful - older writings contain some great wisdom - but they also contain ancient Judiac bad behavour...so ...In my little mind - I can not imagine that Jesus the Christ would say - "Go to that book and believe every last little thing in it whether it makes logical sense or not" -
I did take the time a number of years ago to re-embrace Christianity - cos I wanted to know the truth - of how and why historically our society was effected and structured - I learned a lot in ancient scripture - but in the end - I took all the reference books and the Harpers Biblical dictionary and stuck them in the drawer...and heard the words of Christ - "the kingdom of heaven is within you...or if you want the truth (reality) it is contained naturally in YOU...so....I made it simple through this inspiration - my quest for the truth (reality) was a very alienating process...most people live in fantacy - and I do not believe that the message of Jesus was to dwell in the unreal..that is why this form of Christianity is an utter failture - cos people diverted their faith away from God into a book - and this book has NOT solved our problems...it's a good book - but YOU are more alive and intune and powerful than a book--- take the glory and respect yourself - the earth has no age..nor does eternity.
Did you not learn of God and Jesus through this book that you call a fantasy now? How obserd to accept Jesus from the very book that you call fantasy. You might want to realize that science doesn't accept any of Jesus miracles or his resurrrection from the dead also. Another fantasy?
Oh well.. if Jesus (possibly nothing but a total construct as a simple go-between between the unapproachable almighty God figure and a more human (!) Jesus figure. All written without any errors in the details, natch! centuries later, btw...). Paul et al said it was, so then I guess it must have been, huh?
Question: what do you personally do with all the other contradictory things said [and even well-written...] by other, far more educated, Greek scholars? About Zeus, for instance?
It is Written!
Hardly The sole basis for belief amongst the cognoscenti of intellectuals. But of course now, if you are but a blindered and frightened sheeple-type, then go for it, by all means! Wouldn't want the sheep to be frightened, would we?
Oh pooh! You are highly selective about which parts you absolutely take as literal (NOah's Ark? Walking on water? Touch-healing? ). But then, God adjusted time, a concept that only came about when wee realized how old this earth really is. It's nothing but a later-day adjustment by Christian apologists, and you know it.
But so... let's just take a look-see here for a moment: your line of great reasoning goes like this: God, for no good reason other than to support a later-written book, adjusted time ("Praise Him! He works in mysterious ways! PTL!").
But then, for some completely unstated and/or irrational & illogical reasons, He subsequently re-adjusts it to the current and very stable rate of time passage? Where it has reliably remained so over all of known & recorded history.
Plus, when we now look, scientifically (i.e. logically, and without prior biases and with complete objectivity) we find many of the various geologica, cosmological & biological processes we know of today (as in: reproducible, observable & documented), producing results that are fully mimiced in retrieved artifacts, remnants and so on from well before the supposed Creation event? Que?
These documented chronological results "really seal the canned chicken", as they used to say, for most rational thinkers. Only the intellectually frightened, those who require a safe afterlife end-game, and a guidebook for their day-to-day ethical behavior (funny, when you look at the behavior of many avowed Crisitans ) but the tweeky adjusted-time scenario.
Say! But....
√ Isn't it you fundyists who rabidly deny Evolution because you note it was/is not observable back then? (It sure is today, btw...)
√ And yet, you fully accept that God diddled time back when no-one at all could have possibly observed it?
Two-faced rampant, rabid hypocrisy and fallibility on display, with lights and a half-time show!
A-Frickin'-may-zhin'
A Question though. No, let's make this a good one: QUESTION:
..........................WHY did God do this?
The boy seems to really be chronologically frick'd up, to my say of thinkin!
GOD, youz in trouble here, man. Let me know if I can help you figure some of this complicated up, n'Kay? After all, I do have them science degrees and you don't, man! The world's run by science now, so your role might be reduced a bit!
Well Good Then! I'll be waiting for your call! My cell phone no. is #@$%$%%^&**&%^**((*)
(Oh don't worry: He can figure it out!)
Christians please see this post. On one hand you are accepted and told how enlightened and smart you are for accepting evolution, then on the other hand you are mocked for your beliefs. There is no getting around it, evolution is from satan.
You're assuming that all Christians only accept a literal interpretation of everything in the Bible. But most don't do that. People adapt and views change in the light of new knowledge.
2000 years ago, creation myths were the best explanation people had about how the world came to be. That's why people just assumed them to be true. But we have a far better understanding of these things now because of the science of evolution. And that's why creation myths are not widely believed in anymore.
You're assuming that all Christians only accept a literal interpretation of everything in the Bible. But most don't do that. People adapt and views change in the light of new knowledge.
2000 years ago, creation myths were the best explanation people had about how the world came to be. That's why people just assumed them to be true. But we have a far better understanding of these things now because of the science of evolution. And that's why creation myths are not widely believed in anymore.
I once read a reply to a letter to the editor in my town's local newspaper that I cut out because it made so much sense to me. I'm going to post it (in blue font) because it explains my perspective better, perhaps, than I could myself. Here it is:
In response to much of the rhetoric we have seen lately concerning creation and evolution, I don't understand why it is so difficult for some people to believe that God is the greatest scientist in the universe but that He could not explain some of His high-tech processes to people who thought a fig leaf was high tech. Even if He could show Adam the whole truth, how could Adam write that down in terms that the rest of the world would understand without a few thousand years of education?
How do you explain to your children how a gasoline engine works or where rain comes from? Is it possible that you answer this never-ending flow of curiosity with 'not quite accurate answers' which are in terms your children will understand?
When God told Adam that he was created from the dust in one day, is it not possible that this answer was His 'not totally accurate explanation' in terms that Adam would understand? How would you explain genetics and millenniums to a man whose first and greatest creation was disposable underwear harvested from the same tree his food was harvested from?
God didn't just give us a body; He gave us a brain and with that, a fair share of curiosity. He knew that knowledge is an eternal progression so He gave us the tools need to eternally ask and learn the answers to all of life's questions. Line upon line and precept upon precept.
I think it is reasonable to assume that the Creator of the laws of the universe must also be His nature live by the laws He has set for us. If not, then He would not have commanded us to 'Become as I am.' If you doubt this, then I challenge you to explain microscopic living organisms or genetic bluepinrts to your 5-year-old. No short cuts, though, just the science.
My belief is that when science and religion appear to be at odds with each other, it is because we simply don't have all the facts. God hasn't yet revealed all of His secrets to us and science hasn't yet discovered a great many things. When all is said and done, I believe that they will mesh perfectly and that all of the issues we run into now, such as the age of the earth and the evolution of the various lifeforms here on the earth, will be resolved to our satisfaction. I believe that God made the world and created all life on it. I just don't know exactly how or how long it took Him. Furthermore, we don't need to know. My salvation certainly doesn't hinge on an understanding of these things. As a noted Christian scientist once said, "Animals seem pretty wonderful to me. I'd be content to discover that I share a common heritage with them, so long as God is at the controls."
Christians please see this post. It validates my point that if you accept evolution you render the gospel useless.
Gee, so the blood of Christ is usless because one does not take Gen 1 as literal, I hope you realize that what you are saying is our salvation is incumbant on believing that the world is 6000 years old.
Fact: there is nothing in the OT that pertains to salvation since Jesus died on the cross.
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) but the tweeky adjusted-time scenario. 
