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Old 02-10-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Some scientists believe that everything we see and touch and the whole universe is a hologram. (almost like the movie The Matrix) Others who claim to be in the know about the UFO phenomena say there is a connection between so called extraterrestrials and our present state (who we are and where we are) in fact They claim the real reason for the cover up is to hide the fact of where we really are. It has been said that our whole world is an illusion that Satan has conjured up. They say Satan has deceived us into thinking we are not in hell when we have already lived and died. This sound far fetched but some people who had top government credentials have come forward and said this. According to those in the know, the description of hell in the Bible is another level of deception and in fact religion itself is a deception. After we leave this level of hell (die) we go to something much worse according to these people.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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Some scientists believe that everything we see and touch and the whole universe is a hologram.
Not as many as one might think, and even then most of them are not saying what you think. Analogies to holograms have led the media to put a "We are living in a hologram" spin on things, but for many this is not exactly what they are saying at all.

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Others who claim to be in the know about the UFO phenomena
In the know about UFO phenomena? What does that even mean? The U stands for unidentified. If we were "in the know" then it would be identified. Not unidentified. So your sentence contradicts itself.

Further there is no reason to think there is even anything to be "in the know" about. People see things in the air that they can not identify. That is all.

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the real reason for the cover up
What cover up? It hardly seems useful to speculate on the reasons for something you have not even establish actually has been done.

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but some people who had top government credentials have come forward and said this.
Such as who, and so what? Since when did credentials of any sort become synonymous with talking sense or truth? Especially given the poor quality of the types of people in government at this time. Having "top government credentials" these days is a reason to doubt further what the person is saying, not lend it additional credence.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Kenmore, WA
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If you think you are, you are, if you think you are in heaven, you are.

You are what you think.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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Some scientists believe that everything we see and touch and the whole universe is a hologram. (almost like the movie The Matrix) Others who claim to be in the know about the UFO phenomena say there is a connection between so called extraterrestrials and our present state (who we are and where we are) in fact They claim the real reason for the cover up is to hide the fact of where we really are. It has been said that our whole world is an illusion that Satan has conjured up. They say Satan has deceived us into thinking we are not in hell when we have already lived and died. This sound far fetched but some people who had top government credentials have come forward and said this. According to those in the know, the description of hell in the Bible is another level of deception and in fact religion itself is a deception. After we leave this level of hell (die) we go to something much worse according to these people.
The holographic universe concept has some merit, but it's not a widely held view. Even if the universe is holographic, it doesn't mean people who are alive are actually dead. Sounds more like someone was watching "Tales From the Hood" or "Videodrome" after getting twisted. I'd suggest looking into what the holographic universe hypothesis is about.

It has nothing to do with the idea of the movie "The Matrix". In a nutshell, the holographic universe idea has more to do with what's called "quantum fuzziness" at large scales. In other words, as you look closer at things, more oof the smaller details of things begin to appear to become more apparent. For example, people are made of cells. However, you can't clearly see the cells without using microscope. What you ordinarily see is a person. However if you zoom in to look at a specific cell, it doesn't look anything like person. Does it mean that the cell or the person don't exist? Of course not. It has to do with scale you're looking at, macro or micro.
Holographic principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are We Living in a Holographic Universe? This May Be the Greatest Revolution of the 21st Century

We May Not Live in a Hologram After All : Discovery News
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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If you think you are, you are, if you think you are in heaven, you are.

You are what you think.
So then if my arm is broken, but I choose to think that it's perfectly fine, then it means my arm really isn't broken?
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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You are what you think.
Great. I think I am a person who is owed 1 million dollars by you. So that must be what I am. Getting paying.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Leonard Susskind on The World As Hologram - YouTube

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Leonard Susskind of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics discusses the indestructability of information and the nature of black holes in a lecture entitled The World As Hologram.
Here a lecture by Leonard Susskind on the Holographic principle .

Leonard Susskind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Holographic principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 02-10-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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This sound far fetched but some people who had top government credentials have come forward and said this.
People with top government credentials have said that we're actually in hell? You know better than that; you have to name names if you're going to make those kinds of assertions.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Our dear Lookin, probably meant "in general" and was probably being more metaphorical than anything.
if you want to look at the glass halve full, its halve full,
if you want to look at it the other way around...
or you can be extremely grateful and awed by any amount of water in the glass.
Also, have any of you heard the quote "you are not what you think you are, but what you think, you are."?
So, I'm sure she didn't mean that the world was completely subjective to one's chosen thoughts. but instead that one's chosen thoughts are completely subjective to which ever you chose.

gsoboi,
If this is a Hell manufactured by the Enemy of Good, then it's either an extremely crappy one which allows happiness and goodness to exist, or an extremely great one that allows happiness and goodness to exist for the greater evil. Is there anything you can do about it?
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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There have been times in my life when I have wondered that myself. Fortunately those times were always temporary.
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