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Old 02-19-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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This is in response to all the "Atheists are going to hell" posts that keep cropping up. Assuming (one gigantic assumption for us heathens, I know ) there is a all-powerful benevolent god who created the universe for us and maintains a deep, meaningful parent-child relationship with us (as Christianity maintains), it seems to me Atheists are exactly the crop god is trying to grow here.

Here are some actual facts about the world which suggests said hypothetical god wants individual growth, experience, experimentation, ect. over piety to him through an institution:

There are tens of thousands of different competing institutions.

All those institutions have changed/evolved over time.

No institution has even come close to contacting/including more than a tiny minority of all humanity.

Humanity is insatiably inquisitive by nature.

Life on this planet is incredibly dynamic, diverse and fascinating.

The nature of the universe is actually understandable by the human mind.

The true nature of god is not made clear; there are as many competing ideas about god as there are religious institutions.

God is "hands off" and lets bad things happen, as well as things which are detrimental to "god's institutions" like science.

The world is in just the right place in the galaxy/universe to be able to observe it's workings despite our otherwise limited perspective.


Put that all together and it would be logical to assume that a benevolent god set us up in a situation that could only be described as an excellent learning environment with very few to no "otherworldy" distractions. Why would god do that if he just wanted to worshiped and obeyed? Clearly, the idea would be for god's children to stand on their own, to learn, to grow up, so to speak...all in direct conflict with what the bible and various institutions claim.

We all know the Bible says the greatest commandment is to love god, but #2 is to love thy neighbor... Here are some things Atheists regularly do which Christians do not:


Atheists don't presume to know the mind of god and/or trick, indoctrinate or force anyone to think a certain way.

Atheists don't decide (and indeed demand) that non-atheists be punished for their non-atheistic beliefs.

Atheists are no more immoral or rapacious than Christians.

Atheists generally seek to learn more about the world around them and continuously expand their horizons.

Atheists don't worship symbols or graven images.

Atheists don't believe in, nor accept repression and ignorance.


Atheism does not equal evil, and religion did not invent morality. Atheism and love are entirely compatible and many, many atheists live good, happy, wholesome lives. Nor do atheists hate god itself (after all, from our perspective there is no actual god to hate), they hate the ignorant, closed-minded and manipulative made-up concepts called "god" which seek to keep humankind from doing the very things which god would appear to have set us up to do...

If there is a god in heaven, his heavenly hosts will all be good people who lived as atheists. Christianity as we know it today may actually be the work of the devil, set up to thwart god's actual plan.

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Old 02-19-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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Good points.
I've often wondered why god would want to be surrounded by mindless fools for eternity.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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Excellent post, and i'm not even an Atheist!
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Old 02-19-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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100% agree. I believe religion to be a dark force created by man to cause indifference, hate, tension, and war. I feel the presence of a higher power, a loving power, but this power is NOT the God your Christians are praying to. All we are to do as humans is love and care for one another, not judge or act as If we know it all.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:53 PM
 
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Another point... if God truly wanted him/her/itself to be the focal point of our mortal lives, just where is god exactly? It's like establishing a dictatorship with no dictator! Instead, god is a widely varied, enigmatic concept floating in the background, not the central, pivotal figure one would expect.

Clearly if there is a god, he/she/it didn't do any of this for himself.
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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I've often wondered why God would give us complex brains that are naturally curious about everything but punish us when we use them and arrive at different conclusions.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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Christianity as we know it today may actually be the work of the devil, set up to thwart god's actual plan.
Since we're playing 'what if' here, I'd go a step further and say that the devil likely orchestrated the birth of the Old Testament. Plenty of twisted stories in that piece of literature to lay down a foundation of wickedness for believers.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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I've often wondered why God would give us complex brains that are naturally curious about everything but punish us when we use them and arrive at different conclusions.
That is either the work of a cruel God, a cunning devil, or evolved God-free human nature and chance. I vote for the latter.
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