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That part is not in the passage I quoted. My point stands.
You did quote
"These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation." Which is a danger signal in just your short quote, and I was talking of the longer Revelation passage from which that comes. The evident claim that this is messages from Jesus by the writer makes Ozzy's comparison with Charles Manson and a pretty crowded list or other loops very apposite.
And the whole of Revelation reads no better. Your point, and possibly credibility for being honest, fails.
It's an odd thing, Little witscz, but your posts either as a thumbs up or a thumbs down.
It's like your crtiique of someone implacably applying logic and evidence, and portentiously coming down on the side of what seems validated. One wonders if one is praising that or deploring it.
It's an odd thing, Little witscz, but your posts either as a thumbs up or a thumbs down.
It's like your crtiique of someone implacably applying logic and evidence, and portentiously coming down on the side of what seems validated. One wonders if one is praising that or deploring it.
yes, it will - to put the point: the question is not 'god or not' as nobody really knows; we are all agnostics.
But it is logic and evidence, or not (and rely on faith -claims).
If people opt for faith, then they have given up all claims to logic and science. Few will do that. They will still try to argue using facts and reasoning to support their case, but then they ought to be rejecting faith. They have an hypothesis they are arguing for, sure, but if the evidence fails (as it does) then they should either concede that the hypothesis fails to be credible and must be left in the pending tray awaiting some kind of evidence. There will be no good reason to credit it.
But they do insist that the God -hypothesis is not only credible, but Fact - and they appeal to faith. And that is what it has been all allong and the efforts to make science and reason dance to their tune is a sham.
"This is the conclusion; what facts can we find to support it?"
And if they don't support it, fiddle them until it looks like they do. This is the basis of faith -based apologetics.
The ravings of a lunatic. That is exactly what Revelation was. It's no different than the kind of things you would hear from someone like Charles Manson. He believed that the Beatles were sending him secret messages. Someone in "exile" or prison attracts people who think the way he or she does. They have nothing better to do than to write down their formulations.
yes, it will - to put the point: the question is not 'god or not' as nobody really knows; we are all agnostics.
But it is logic and evidence, or not (and rely on faith -claims).
If people opt for faith, then they have given up all claims to logic and science. Few will do that. They will still try to argue using facts and reasoning to support their case, but then they ought to be rejecting faith. They have an hypothesis they are arguing for, sure, but if the evidence fails (as it does) then they should either concede that the hypothesis fails to be credible and must be left in the pending tray awaiting some kind of evidence. There will be no good reason to credit it.
But they do insist that the God -hypothesis is not only credible, but Fact - and they appeal to faith. And that is what it has been all allong and the efforts to make science and reason dance to their tune is a sham.
"This is the conclusion; what facts can we find to support it?"
And if they don't support it, fiddle them until it looks like they do. This is the basis of faith -based apologetics.
your denomination of atheism does just that.
It shuns, minimizes, and changes wording to meet the faith claim of "reject/deny anti-anything I deem-religous-looking"
As the world grows darker, Christians are forced to choose which way to follow, and it is getting more black and white as time advances. The gay agenda pushes their way in, insisting they are right, and anyone who disagrees with that is a hater. So alot of Christians will be called hateful and haters and so that really shouldn't be a surprise. Christians need to be aware that through it all the Lord is with us, and we are to bless our persecutors and not react with unkindness. Stick to the Word, though.
As the world grows darker, Christians are forced to choose which way to follow, and it is getting more black and white as time advances. The gay agenda pushes their way in, insisting they are right, and anyone who disagrees with that is a hater. So alot of Christians will be called hateful and haters and so that really shouldn't be a surprise. Christians need to be aware that through it all the Lord is with us, and we are to bless our persecutors and not react with unkindness. Stick to the Word, though.
yup, both sides wear the same cloths, fly the same flags, and use the same words. The snake is smart, he will not show his hand until the killing starts. also, the warrior has a path to follow, unlike the soldier's, its a narrow path.
"gatekeepers" have no authority over anyone, when asked, they answer. That's it.
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