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Old 04-10-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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Yes, it was snips and snails and puppy dog tails.
No it was play dough
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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the only human concieved by such? ever heard of comparative religion?

Dionysus, Heracles, Attis, Horus, Osiris, Mithra, Krishna, Buddha, Perseus, etc are all born in the same manner. Like Jesus they are mythical characters

But none of them were born of a virgin. That alone makes Christianty different. And as a pagan I take offense to that.

No not really.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:30 AM
 
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While they were written at a time within a generation of the time of christ they most likely were not written by people who even knew the original apostles.
They certainly were not written by anyone that knew any 'Jesus'.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:12 AM
 
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Customary probably not, and far from common. Also how did a royal dynasty somehow become plebs? The priesthood maintained it's status yet the last of the line of king hood just what went back to farming sheep?

David was a sheepherder; thats something very interesting about God, he chooses the last person you would expect to lead;

Like an Atheist.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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David was a sheepherder; thats something very interesting about God, he chooses the last person you would expect to lead;

Like an Atheist.
Doubtful, david was most likely a chieftain or warlord of some type. The mythic version of david, and the real version are not the same.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Sorry mate. Nice try but the prophecy CLEARLY says that the Messiah will come from David via his son SOLOMON. Mary has no connection to Solomon. She comes via David's other son NATHAN.

It has nothing to do with inheriting land pal. The Messiah MUST come from a MALE blood line back to David via his son Solomon. Sorry about that! Titles cannot be inherited via the mother...only the father.

The genealogy is made clear in Matt; 1: 1-17. Both Solomon and Nathan were from Davids bloodline and both Joseph and Mary were from Davids bloodline. The same blood in Solomon was in Nathan; Its academic- you cannot argue as if Solomons blood was different than Nathans; same father, same blood, same birthrights, same liniage. Both Solomon and Nathan were males, and Jesus was male.

To try and subtract Davids blood from Nathan, is like trying to subtract females from bloodlines; there would be no bloodlines without females.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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The genealogy is made clear in Matt; 1: 1-17. Both Solomon and Nathan were from Davids bloodline and both Joseph and Mary were from Davids bloodline. The same blood in Solomon was in Nathan; Its academic- you cannot argue as if Solomons blood was different than Nathans; same father, same blood, same birthrights, same liniage. Both Solomon and Nathan were males, and Jesus was male.

To try and subtract Davids blood from Nathan, is like trying to subtract females from bloodlines; there would be no bloodlines without females.
What don't you understand about the fact that the prophecy for the Jewish messiah says CATEGORICALLY that the Messiah MUST come from David THROUGH HIS SON SOLOMON. That's all you need to know fella. If it is anything other than DAVID-SOLOMON then your man-god is NOT the Jewish Messiah.

Nonsense about Mary inheriting this, that and the other or two brothers having the same blood line is nothing more than idiotic apologetics to fit the man-god into the 'Messiah' role. Get it into your skull..........

If the Messiah does not come via the line of David to Solomon then he is not the Messiah. Joseph's blood-line runs from David to Solomon. If Joe had been the biological father of your Jesus then Jesus could have fitted the bill - had he been able to fulfil all the other prophecies for the Messiah (he couldn't).....but he was not the biological father so the buck stops with Joe.

Mary is discounted. The woman cannot pass on a title and she is not of the David - Solomon as the prophecy SPECIFICALLY requires.

I'm afraid it's QED pal. Your Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah. Go have a drink to drown your sorrows and start to live with it.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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What don't you understand about the fact that the prophecy for the Jewish messiah says CATEGORICALLY that the Messiah MUST come from David THROUGH HIS SON SOLOMON. That's all you need to know fella. If it is anything other than DAVID-SOLOMON then your man-god is NOT the Jewish Messiah.

Nonsense about Mary inheriting this, that and the other or two brothers having the same blood line is nothing more than idiotic apologetics to fit the man-god into the 'Messiah' role. Get it into your skull..........

If the Messiah does not come via the line of David to Solomon then he is not the Messiah. Joseph's blood-line runs from David to Solomon. If Joe had been the biological father of your Jesus then Jesus could have fitted the bill - had he been able to fulfil all the other prophecies for the Messiah (he couldn't).....but he was not the biological father so the buck stops with Joe.

Mary is discounted. The woman cannot pass on a title and she is not of the David - Solomon as the prophecy SPECIFICALLY requires.

I'm afraid it's QED pal. Your Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah. Go have a drink to drown your sorrows and start to live with it.

What you don't understand is that the prophecy was that a biological decendant of David would sit on the throne of Israel forever. You seem to think it centers on Solomon, it centers on Davids decendants; his bloodline; and neither Joseph or Mary can be removed from that bloodline.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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What don't you understand about the fact that the prophecy for the Jewish messiah says CATEGORICALLY that the Messiah MUST come from David THROUGH HIS SON SOLOMON. That's all you need to know fella. If it is anything other than DAVID-SOLOMON then your man-god is NOT the Jewish Messiah.

Nonsense about Mary inheriting this, that and the other or two brothers having the same blood line is nothing more than idiotic apologetics to fit the man-god into the 'Messiah' role. Get it into your skull..........

If the Messiah does not come via the line of David to Solomon then he is not the Messiah. Joseph's blood-line runs from David to Solomon. If Joe had been the biological father of your Jesus then Jesus could have fitted the bill - had he been able to fulfil all the other prophecies for the Messiah (he couldn't).....but he was not the biological father so the buck stops with Joe.

Mary is discounted. The woman cannot pass on a title and she is not of the David - Solomon as the prophecy SPECIFICALLY requires.

I'm afraid it's QED pal. Your Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah. Go have a drink to drown your sorrows and start to live with it.

Let me help your lack of biblical knowledge, heres the prophecy in 2 Sam. 7:4-17 , known as the " Davidic Covenant". Solomon's name is never mentioned in this promise from God; notice verse 12; only the term " Descendant" is used.

This is refered to again in Jer. 33:17, and Solomon is not singled out as you are trying to change the history of scripture.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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What you don't understand is that the prophecy was that a biological decendant of David would sit on the throne of Israel forever.
Correct...and it SPECIFIC that that biological descendant MUST come through SOLOMON. Go read the prophecy dude. It is quite clear....no ambiguity whatsoever. Read it well and you will find that your own Bible tells you that although David had many sons, your god chose Solomon. Got that pal....not Nathan....Solomon.


"The Messiah must be a male, patrilineal descendant of King David, through King Solomon. If you look at 2 Samuel 7:8-16, King David is promised that Solomon and his descendants will be the royal line of the Jewish people forever. Keep in mind that this is a family lineage. Biblical family lineage only proceeds through the father, hence the Messiah must have a patrilineal lineage to David through Solomon."

"The prophecy that the Messiah will come from the line of David, through Solomon, comes up in numerous Jewish prayers."
Is Jesus The Messiah?

Go speak to a Rabbi about it. It's their prophecy and they know the requirements for their own Messiah. He must come from David via Solomon and continue in that line...and that excludes your Jesus.

QED.
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