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Old 04-13-2012, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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OF course not. Belief is NOT a choice . . . willful or otherwise. It just is or isn't.
Much like homosexuality. It's not a choice one makes....you either are or you are not.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:26 AM
 
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I'm just curious Ash, do you own a Bible today? I own three variations and I think most of us here have at least one. It's actually not a bad read if you have nothing better to do, so long as you don't allow yourself to fall down the rabbit hole that is belief in the impossible.

As for me, I didn't become a skeptic until I read the Bible, I mean REALLY read it and get into a thorough study of it's contents.
Nope, I have never owned one.

Did give reading one a try when I was in the Navy (out of sheer boredom of being at sea for months at at time) but the poorly written, disconnected, absurd and conflicting story line, leaving me either stunned that people believed this nonsense, or disgusted with the irrational hate and actions sanctioned by the lead character, I didn't have the stomach for it.

I read a good bit, some history, a lot of fiction, and if the book is poorly written or the storyline doesn't catch my interest I simply put it down.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:50 AM
 
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But, with the (free) Will-choice 'doctrine' of secularism.

How could it be taught, that atheists
don't have the (free) Will-Choice of 'unbelief'?
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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Can one, if they really want to, WILL themselves to believe?
Maybe some people can but I know I sure can not and I can only speak for myself.

If there is no reason to think something is true, I can not flick a switch and think it is true anyway.

At this time, having been asking for over 17 years, I am entirely unaware of even a small piece of evidence, argument, data or reasoning to suggest there is a god. Therefore I have no basis on which to believe it. Nor can I just choose to start believing it for the sake of it. I am aware that there simply is no reason to think the claim true. At all.

So if people are capable of flicking such a switch and thinking things are true despite having no reason to think they are true... I am impressed. Though I have no idea why one would want to do so and divorce ones beliefs from reality in that fashion.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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OF course not. Belief is NOT a choice . . . willful or otherwise. It just is or isn't.
So you don't have (free) Will ?
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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So you don't have (free) Will ?
We are free to do what we will with what we believe.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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OF course not. Belief is NOT a choice . . . willful or otherwise. It just is or isn't.
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So you don't have (free) Will ?
Non sequitur!
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We are free to do what we will with what we believe.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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What happen to (free) will TO Choose?
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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We are free to do what we will with what we believe.
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What happen to (free) will TO Choose?

We are free TO CHOOSE what to do with what we believe.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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What happen to (free) will TO Choose?
You assume automatically that belief is a "choice". Clearly others do not.

That's the topic here, in case it wasn't obvious....IS belief a willful choice or not?
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