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Old 04-21-2012, 01:40 AM
 
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I think we can all agree that accusing someone of witchcraft and then beheading them is in the catagory of being extremely inhumane, can't we?
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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i learned from monty python that you can just see if the accused witch weighs as much as a duck.


monty python-witch scene - youtube


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Old 04-21-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Come on now - don't compare it to the Holocaust. THAT was an example of a particular fascist goverment rising to power that committed atrocities - NOT an example of the entirety of German Culture over the ages. You don't see Germany running around committing genocide generally, do you? While Genocide has been common throughout history, German Genocide has not.
Sorry . . . the basic principle embodied in your Cultural Relativism does indeed provide the cover for such atrocities because culture is always in flux. Who is to say that the decades of the growth of Nazism were insufficient to establish it as a cultural revolution? There are absolute standards that can and should be applied to ALL human cultures, period. The self-effacing false relativism you espouse is irresponsible apathy to universal standards of human decency.

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Old 04-21-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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Sorry . . . the basic principle embodied in your Cultural Relativism does indeed provide the cover for such atrocities because culture is always in flux. Who is to say that the decades of the growth of Nazism were insufficient to establish it as a cultural revolution? There are absolute standards that can and should be applied to ALL human cultures, period. The self-effacing false relativism you espouse is irresponsible apathy to universal standards of human decency.
According to who? And who gets to decide what those standards are?
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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According to who? And who gets to decide what those standards are?
We do . . . decent loving human beings.
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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We do . . . decent loving human beings.

Who is "WE"? That's the whole point. What determines whether someone is a "decent loving human being"? There are no universal standards to work from. And if you think there are, then I think that's just your own personal beliefs informing that view.

And I disagree that CR provides cover for hatred and the holocaust, etc. It's the other way around: one group sees themselves as "real" humans, and decides to kill others. See the Israelites and the Canaanites. See the Greeks and the Barabarians (anyone who didn't speak Greek). See any number of other groups who saw themselves as the pinnacle of achievement, holiness, civilization and saw everyone else as barbarians and savages, and therefore - less human.
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Old 04-21-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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I think we can all agree that accusing someone of witchcraft and then beheading them is in the catagory of being extremely inhumane, can't we?
Actually the most powerful force at work here is ignorance that spawned what you call inhumane, ignorance; the foundation of religion.
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Old 04-21-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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So, what do we have here? We have a citizen making an accusation against another person, and the authorities are investigating the circumstances in order to evaluate the merits of the accusation. What is wrong with that?

Americans are fine ones to cast moral judgments on countries that execute criminals.

In Florida and about half the other US states, the guy in the mall could have just gotten out his concealed handgun and killed the Sri Lankan women, as soon as he imagined that she looked like she might have been a threat.

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Old 04-21-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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Sri Lankan woman faces beheading on witchcraft charge | World news | The Guardian

A Sri Lankan woman could face the death penalty by beheading after she was arrested on suspicion of casting a spell on a 13-year-old girl during a family shopping trip, a police spokesman said on Wednesday. The daily Okaz reported that a Saudi man had complained his daughter had "suddenly started acting in an abnormal way, and that happened after she came close to the Sri Lankan woman" in a shopping mall in the port city of Jeddah.
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O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news,
ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly,
and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. (Noble Quran)
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Old 04-21-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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So, what do we have here? We have a citizen making an accusation against another person, and the authorities are investigating the circumstances in order to evaluate the merits of the accusation. What is wrong with that?

Americans are fine ones to cast moral judgments on countries that execute criminals.

In Florida and about half the other states, the guy in the mall could have just gotten out his concealed handgun and killed the Sri Lankan women, as soon as he imagined that she looked like she might have been a threat.

What is the accusation? That she cast a spell on someone. Really? And you believe that such an accusation has merit? Particularly to the point where someone should be arrested, subjected to the Pakistani jail system, tried, and likely comvicted and sentenced to death by beheading? For allegedly casting a spell? Really?

Your Florida example is a red herring. Nice try.
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