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Interesting. I wonder what the nuns will do. I attended Mundelein College back in the 60s and the nuns there were extremely progressive. They had ditched their habits and they invited socially progressive speakers to campus (even to the point of allowing a speaker that Loyola University decided to ban - we had him come to our campus and of course, Loyola students were invited to attend his lecture).
The nuns of the BVM there were not ones to be quiet about anything.
What comes out of the vatican does not surprise me anymore. the catholic chruch, like the rest of Christianity is in a decline, and it's days are numbered. Groups which are failing do all kinds of desperate things to try to survive, but in the end, these groups will not flourish.
Wow, this Pope is attempting to turn back everything accomplished by Popes John XXIII and Paul VI via Vatican II. Though I left the Catholic Church back in 1984, I still feel it a shame that John Paul I did not have a full papacy. I often think that the reforms he wanted to bring to the Church is just what it needed to maintain any sort of relevancy. Of course, there are those who think that it was those very reforms that ended his papacy so abruptly.
While John Paul II did a lot in terms of promoting ecumenism, he also did things to turn back the clock. This current Pope though, wow. I'm am convinced that he would revoke Vatican II and use the tactics of the Counter-Reformation if he thought he could get away with it. But I don't want this to turn into a conspiracy discussion.
Even if I was of a mind to return to the Catholic Church or Christianity in general (which I am not), I could not while this Pope is office.
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Shocking and disheartening news coming out of the Vatican these days.
I'm worried about the Catholic Church. It seems to me they are out of touch with reality.
Sorry but the hierarchy never was in touch with reality. It is a completely carnal ingrown exploitative power structure with no redeeming value. The Catholic Laity are innocent victims.
A co-worker of mine, an RN, the loveliest and wisest person I've met in a long time. Turns out she was a nun, worked in city education, and quit because she couldn't stand the sexism of the institution.
Another co-worker is reading about the Borgia pope. Says the book says that the Mafia was an offshoot of the Church at the time. I had pointed out to him how much I thought the Catholic Church really is like the Mafia, and he should know, belonging to both via his father.
Sister Joan Chittister who I greatly admire said she was deeply distraught at news of Sartain's appointment and the order for LCWR to revise itself.
"When you set out to reform a people, a group, who have done nothing wrong, you have to have an intention, a motivation that is not only not morally based, but actually immoral," she said.
"If we stop thinking, if we stop demanding the divine right to think, and to see that as a Catholic gift, then we are betraying the church no matter what the powers of the church see as an inconvenient truth in their own times."
"In attempting to take such control of people's thinking, she said, "You make a mockery of the search for God, of the whole notion of keeping eyes on the signs of the times and of providing the people with the best possible spiritual guidance and presence you can give"
Now those sound like fighting words
The sSisters are the backbone of Catholicism in America, the all male hierachy only wish they had the backbone of the Sisters.
These nuns are the one's that roll up their sleeves and go to work in schools, hospitals and in the poorest crime ridden neighborhoods, places where the bishops and the rest of the hierarchy would never ever think of going through in their chauffer driven cars.
I hope the good sisters stand their ground, as a Catholic they have my full support.
We have seen more and more lately large groups of priests in countries around the world standing up and saying enough is enough, now we see the hierarchy with an all out assault on women religious.
In my last post I included several quotes from Sister Joan and commented that those were fighting words.
I think the battle lines have been drawn, this will lead to either reform within the Church or an all out schism with Rome; at least then we can get on with the business of the reforms of Vaican II.
At this point either or will do, and if it happens to be the later it won't be us leaving Catholicism, it is more of Rome leaving Catholicism, and they can take their American bishops with them.
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