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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
The assumption on your part is that I believed this way prior to my education. I was Humanist Agnostic not Christian.
There is no evidence supporting evolution, only concepts the evolutionists believe supports evolution.
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And... there it is again. as predictable as rain in Seattle! Another blatantly useless and purposefully
prevaricatious (
) claim! And just as useful, believable and enjoyable!
So let's talk here,
Mikelee:
√ Say you obtain a sample of a known bacterial species, (let's say...
e. coli) all from the same original stock.
Genetically identical clones.
Key thing here:
No genetic diversity.
Got it so far? Y or N?
√ Then, you let them reproduce under normal conditions and you take a clean sample for
each and every generation, and you securely store those generational samples somewhere safe.
Still with me? Y or N?
√ As you watch and wait for a really long time, let's say, oh....22 years, with over 32,000 generations all safely saved, the new fangled science of DNA genome-mapping arrives on the scene.
Now, I'll hope you understand the current infallibility of DNA genome mapping, since it now allows us to statistically sample and document THE EXACT GENOME/allele pattern for any organism, but certainly it's so
very easy for a relatively simple
e. coli bacterium.
√ Anyhow, you note something at about gen. 28,000 or so
(PS: I'm doing this from memory, as will every school kid in the next few years, if their parents allow them to take intro biology or science..) but as with any great scientific research, it's all documented in the peer-reviewed and then journal-published paper...).
√ You notice a
particular mutation, one of the many that have persistently occurred (and documented... so
pah-leeezzze: no denials that mutation occurs...). This observed mutation alters one of the original species'
defining qualities in that the new one can now digest an always-previously available nutrient in the Petri™ dish's consistent and controlled gel-agar.
√ This newfound genetically facilitated ability
re-defines this species into, wow!
A new species! But then, this also
cascades and facilitates several other
"waiting in the wings" abilities, so that, in a spectacularly short time, some (as I defined it in my own post-grad genetics research... "Evolutionary Vectoring™") new abilities show up without any more mutations required.
√ It's now well on it's way to becoming a veritable exponentially growing and "variating" host of entirely new organisms! Just like in the primordial oceans of yore,
By Goll! And long LONG before the illiterate and fear-driven biblical myth was made up. In fact, millions and millions of years before the man-ego construct of a God was invented. (For
that relentless silliness there's manure-sized loads of inarguable evidence, btw. Unlike the obvious evidence FOR Evolution, which you so obviously
choose to ignore and deny..)
√ This is exactly the same sort of "facilitated and cascading" thing, btw, that happened often in the Cambrian Explosion, that event you Christian guys always try to redefine and manipulate into "The banal redefinition of the day" (you approach scientific discoveries sorta like going into a Baskin-Robbins 34 flavor outlet, right?
"So! What'll it be today, sir?")
But I digress. You still with me,
Mikelee? Y or N?
√ In summary: after a lengthy observation and analysis time (but not
really, in earth evolution time... Still...) we have one defined species
(the characteristics of which we define, not you..., else it would get changed each week to suit your ancient and illogical arguments) which, OMG!, through
observed & fully documented mutation and
trial and error testing by the unintelligent organism
entirely on it's own, produced a new species that then occupied an previously unoccupied "niche". The
"citrate eatin'" niche!
√ But then, the two of them remained in existence, the later citrate digestion one
not kicking the other one out, since the first species occupied a separately available niche, and did not interfere with Species 2's intents and ecological/environmental utilization. (This also rather easily denies the equally inane idea that is so often bloviated by the stubborn and uneducated:
"Well, nyah nyah... if we evolved from the ape, how come they are still here, Nyah nyah!???"
√ First off, just to correct that common and oft-repeated bloviational error again, we did
not evolve from the apes, but rather
alongside (as in: co-evolution from a proto-ancestor...); and secondly, because we did not inherit nor dominate their species' required niche(s).
√ So, to
totally refute your inane comment that
"There is no evidence supporting evolution, only concepts the evolutionists believe supports evolution"....
..then please, by all means, explain this progression of fossil and remnant finds we now have such a great collection of!
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Also explain why we can detect both the frequency and type of serial and parallel genome changes in the array of mammals that lead up to modern man? You saying it's all faked? All lies? Doesn't exist except in the mind of scientists?
How odd yet convenient, huh
Micklee! and you aren't
just a weeny bit suspect of all the frantic fundy denialist rants? You, with your well-educated and open mind?
You still here,
Micklee? You still with me? Y or N?
√ Did you fully understand this amazing bit of recent (2008) research which anyone can download, study and refute? Or even duplicate? [I(heaven forbid.. I mean,
literally: heaven would likely forbid such logical stuff...)[/i]
What with your pre-med background and all, this should be a piece of cake, eh? Dr. Richard Lenski has also rather generously offered to provide any of the DNA species studied to anyone who is serious. And yet, not one Christian-backed ethical and honest research group
(is there such a thing, I wonder... Hmmm...) with
any integrity, has come forward and requested those samples. Why is that,
Mikelee? Hmmm?
Micklee?
Hellooooooo 
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