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The disbelief in evolution especially how human came to be is i believe the WTF factor for God believers like me. You can present your theories as facts all you want with 'mounting evidences' even but the REAL evidence of seeing those evidences happen with our own very eyes is where? NOWHERE! lol.
..and you saw the crucifixion did you? Noah's deluge, the Exodus, the garden of Eden??
Obvious trolling here folks...move along!
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Your assertion that we should "see it take place" before our very own eyes is laughable indeed. That is the stuff of ignorance and wild imagination,.....
All you have shown us my new freind, is how very clueless and uneducated you are on the topic and the processes of evolution and why and how it works.
Your assertion that we should "see it take place" before our very own eyes is laughable indeed. That is the stuff of ignorance and wild imagination, which ironically enough is the stuff of religion.
well, that is the atheists' reason to not believe in God right? Have you seen an actual evolution as your science books tells so take place? so, why is it LOGICAL to believe this whole mighty evolutionary process took place billions of years ago coz your science book tells so. And then ironically call God believers FOOLS coz that's what our bible tells so? What is the difference? NOTHING!!!
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..and you saw the crucifixion did you? Noah's deluge, the Exodus, the garden of Eden??
Obvious trolling here folks...move along!
.....and you saw the evolution of man did you? and after you WITNESS the dinosaurs went extinct because the asteroid hit the earth, you also saw the recycle of evolution AGAIN did you?
Obvious WTF that's logic to you really, here folks...move along!
Last edited by silverworks; 05-13-2012 at 07:48 AM..
quite honestly if i see the evolution of man with my own eyes then yes, i would be a fool to still believe in God, but the fact of the matter is... i have not seen a man evolve from a species according to your 'bible aka science book'.
I doubt you would stop believing in God so easily. I accepted that humans evolved from ape-like ancestors even when I was a theist.
Here are some actual fossils of where we all came from:
well, that is the atheists' reason to not believe in God right? Have you seen an actual evolution as your science books tells so take place? so, why is it LOGICAL to believe this whole mighty evolutionary process took place billions of years ago coz your science book tells so. And then ironically call God believers FOOLS coz that's what our bible tells so? What is the difference? NOTHING!!!
The difference is that the evidence for evolution stands up to scrutiny and the evidence for the bible doesn't. And also that not believing in God doesn't depend on evolution being true, whereas (despite what some Christians claim) if one does not believe the NT true, Christianity collapses.
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.....and you saw the evolution of man did you? and after you WITNESS the dinosaurs went extinct because the asteroid hit the earth, you also saw the recycle of evolution AGAIN did you?
Obvious WTF that's logic to you really, here folks...move along!
It's amazing that the validity of forensic evidence analysis seems to be something totally ignored by Theists. It is used regularly to solve crimes, diagnose patients and recover historical event of which no more than silent traces remain. Geology and palaeontology and also genetic tracing is of the same reliability. Why do you reject it when it is applied to evolution?
It can only be because you have this idea that it disproves God which it doesn't. It doesn't even disprove Jesus, Abraham or Solomon. It does undermine Genesis as literal fact, but are you going to tell us that you believe everything was Created in six days by a god who, as soon as there were enough people to populate Pangea, decided to wipe the lot out except for a family who would turn out to be no better than the exterminated lot?
"Don't move along yet, folks, there may be a complete loop for you to laugh at." Alternatively, you can try to think sensibly.
well my argument is that you atheist 'logicals' also believe in something you have not seen. true or false?
and yet you declare yourselves smart and thinking for yourselves and the ones on the either side are fools and puppets. WTF. really? what is the difference? the evidences? that are based on what? science books, isn't it? the 'evidences' that your sole source is what the science books tells you as facts. who wrote the science books? humans. so what's the difference?
Last edited by silverworks; 05-13-2012 at 10:46 AM..
well my argument is that you atheist 'logicals' also believe in something you have not seen. true or false?
and yet you declare yourselves smart and thinking for yourselves and the ones on the either side are fools and puppets. WTF. really? what is the difference? the evidences? that are based on what? science books, isn't it? the 'evidences' that your sole source is what the science books tells you as facts. who wrote the science books? humans. so what's the difference?
The difference is verifiability. I can observe, test and conduct experiments to verify whether or not a scientific claim is true.
By complete contrast, there is no way for me to verify supernatural claims. I have to rely purely on tradition and authority to have faith that the supernatural is real.
But really, the only reason you don't believe in evolution is because if evolution were true then the Genesis creation account would be just another myth like all creation stories are. And there would likely be no more truth to Judeo-Christianity than there is in any other religion.
Last edited by BigCityDreamer; 05-13-2012 at 11:17 AM..
While I agree that you can verify a scientific claim, the truth still remains, NO ONE - even the scientists claiming this and this evolutionary process billions of years ago actually happened - was there to witness this evolution. And even at present time, those evolution has not happened/observed/witnessed since. Technically, you still believe in something you have not and will never see in your lifetime.
While I agree that you can verify a scientific claim, the truth still remains, NO ONE - even the scientists claiming this and this evolutionary process billions of years ago actually happened - was there to witness this evolution. And even at present time, those evolution has not happened/observed/witnessed since. Technically, you still believe in something you have not and will never see in your lifetime.
First, evolution didn't only happen billions of years ago. It's been happening in all the time since then, it's happening now, and it will continue to happen for as long as there's life on earth.
You're right that we cannot directly observe events that were happening on the earth in the distant past, because we cannot go back in time. However, we can make logical inferences from the evidence and data we have. Transitional fossils that have been found and radiometric dating of these fossils are strong evidence that evolution from one species to another actually occurred. Plus, there are numerous other lines of evidence such as atavisms, anatomical vestiges, DNA similarities, genetic rates (to name a few) which all point to evolution over time.
In other words, if all this evidence doesn't confirm evolution, then how else are we to interpret it? That's what science is all about.
First, evolution didn't only happen billions of years ago. It's been happening in all the time since then, it's happening now, and it will continue to happen for as long as there's life on earth.
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ya, but the problematic part for me is that the unbelievable billion year process of how the evolution of each and every species especially of human has been out of commission since the science book tells us so.
ya, but the problematic part for me is that the unbelievable billion year process of how the evolution of each and every species especially of human has been out of commission since the science book tells us so.
Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. One example is insects developing a resistance to pesticides over the period of a few years. Even most Creationists recognize that evolution at this level is a fact. What they don't appreciate is that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor.
The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild.
What hasn't been observed is one animal abruptly changing into a radically different one, such as a frog changing into a cow. This is not a problem for evolution because evolution doesn't propose occurrences even remotely like that. In fact, if we ever observed a frog turn into a cow, it would be very strong evidence against evolution.
More observed instances of evolution here... Observed Instances of Speciation
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