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Old 05-13-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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It was a gutsy thing for Obama to do in a run -up to the election, but I fear that he might have handed the presidency over to the republicans in a box. Because of the predominance of following the views of religion, Bible- based intolerance is considered right and tolerance wrong.
That's right. I'm amazed at people who claim he did this for "political gain" because he would've lost absolutely nothing if he stayed with his old position of pro-equal legal rights for the LGBT community. Now he risks losing votes from the more conservative Christian Democrats. I'm glad he did it though. I always suspected he was pro-gay marriage, he never struck me as a person who would be opposed to that.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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August 28, 1963, I was present in a crowd of people of about 250,000, at the base of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC when I heard the words, for the first time, that were spoken by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. about him having a dream, a dream that all of us could live together in peace and not judge one another by the color of our skin, or our religion, or our education. I thought, these are mighty brave words for the time. I was also present in Washington, DC. when President John F. Kennedy was buried after his assassination on November 22,1963. I witnessed the riots and the burning of Washington, DC. in April of 1968 after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I was present in Washington, DC. after the assassination and the burial of Robert Kennedy in September of 1968. I am a Vietnam Veteran and proud to have served my country. These are three men who believed in treating everyone fairly and equally, it didn't make any difference what your religious belief was or what your lifestyle was, didn't make any difference what the color of your skin was or even if you were a male or female, they believed in the equality of mankind.

Today we have lost that human decency of treating everyone equally and with respect.

I wonder, of what harm does it do to not treat people who are homosexual as equals, we're all human beings, we are all members of the human race.
It would seem as though religion is the big divide between us, it causes us to become bigots, to treat one another differently when in truth we're all the same.
I am neither a homosexual, a Christian or a believer in Islam, I do not believe in any type of organized religion, I am a believer in a Creator and my ancient culture as a Native American and a member of the Keetoowah Tsalagi, we have long treated those of Twin Spirits with a great deal of respect, it is our culture and has been for thousands of years, they are human beings just like the rest of us.
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Old 05-13-2012, 12:30 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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August 28, 1963, I was present in a crowd of people of about 250,000, at the base of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC when I heard the words, for the first time, that were spoken by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. about him having a dream, a dream that all of us could live together in peace and not judge one another by the color of our skin, or our religion, or our education. I thought, these are mighty brave words for the time. I was also present in Washington, DC. when President John F. Kennedy was buried after his assassination on November 22,1963. I witnessed the riots and the burning of Washington, DC. in April of 1968 after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I was present in Washington, DC. after the assassination and the burial of Robert Kennedy in September of 1968. I am a Vietnam Veteran and proud to have served my country. These are three men who believed in treating everyone fairly and equally, it didn't make any difference what your religious belief was or what your lifestyle was, didn't make any difference what the color of your skin was or even if you were a male or female, they believed in the equality of mankind.

Today we have lost that human decency of treating everyone equally and with respect.

I wonder, of what harm does it do to not treat people who are homosexual as equals, we're all human beings, we are all members of the human race.
It would seem as though religion is the big divide between us, it causes us to become bigots, to treat one another differently when in truth we're all the same.
I am neither a homosexual, a Christian or a believer in Islam, I do not believe in any type of organized religion, I am a believer in a Creator and my ancient culture as a Native American and a member of the Keetoowah Tsalagi, we have long treated those of Twin Spirits with a great deal of respect, it is our culture and has been for thousands of years, they are human beings just like the rest of us.
If we could only find a way to take your attitude and make a vaccine with it.

I grew up in the deep south during the 60's. When my kids start complaining about how unfair life is, I tell them about the people in my life. The woman who practically raised me, who I consider to be my mother, unable to enter the same places that I could. Even so, she never lost her dignity. She taught me to be fair, tolerant and understanding. She also taught me to forgive. My friends in school who were belittled and, at times, beaten for the color of their skin. They never gave up though.

You're right Ptsum, we're losing our way, as a nation and as humans.
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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[quote=pamelaBeurman;24285401]If we could only find a way to take your attitude and make a vaccine with it.

I grew up in the deep south during the 60's. When my kids start complaining about how unfair life is, I tell them about the people in my life. The woman who practically raised me, who I consider to be my mother, unable to enter the same places that I could. Even so, she never lost her dignity. She taught me to be fair, tolerant and understanding. She also taught me to forgive. My friends in school who were belittled and, at times, beaten for the color of their skin. They never gave up though.

You're right Ptsum, we're losing our way, as a nation and as humans.[/quote]


A lot of people will say that in order for us to find our way as a nation we have to look towards our religion, personally I think that in order for us to learn to treat one another with respect and as equals we need to get rid of organized religion. Organized religion, whether it be Christianity or Islam or any other name you want to give it, does nothing but cause divisions among us, when one religion says that one group of people are better than the others then that causes a division and with that division comes hatred and bigotry, it doesnt make a difference what that religion is, it's wrong. If we get rid of organized religion and go back to treating one another as equals and with respect, this could be a much better place to live in.osay
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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If we could only find a way to take your attitude and make a vaccine with it.

I grew up in the deep south during the 60's. When my kids start complaining about how unfair life is, I tell them about the people in my life. The woman who practically raised me, who I consider to be my mother, unable to enter the same places that I could. Even so, she never lost her dignity. She taught me to be fair, tolerant and understanding. She also taught me to forgive. My friends in school who were belittled and, at times, beaten for the color of their skin. They never gave up though.

You're right Ptsum, we're losing our way, as a nation and as humans.[/quote]


A lot of people will say that in order for us to find our way as a nation we have to look towards our religion, personally I think that in order for us to learn to treat one another with respect and as equals we need to get rid of organized religion. Organized religion, whether it be Christianity or Islam or any other name you want to give it, does nothing but cause divisions among us, when one religion says that one group of people are better than the others then that causes a division and with that division comes hatred and bigotry, it doesnt make a difference what that religion is, it's wrong. If we get rid of organized religion and go back to treating one another as equals and with respect, this could be a much better place to live in.osay
I couldn't agree more!
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