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He does it through those who are born again. He has now come into those who believe on Jesus, and He confirms the Gospel with miracles and the overall impact that Christians have on society.
Is the Baghavad Gita confirmed as true, due to it's impact on society...or the Qur'an?
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They were perfect for many reasons. One, good means without fault. Perfection in this sense means without fault.
Then if they were 'without fault' they could not have erred....could not have fallen.
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Jesus said that God was good, and we all know God is perfect.
Really! What about that mistake he made in his 'creation' that caused him to have to massacre them all save eight? Doesn't seem much like 'perfection' to me.
Of course, I've also said how God did reveal Himself.
By listing a few stories from the book you are essentially repeating what you said before that you are taking a biblical perspective on all this. So if you repeat yourself I can only repeat myself which is to point out:
1) You have not shown any of these events HAVE happened. You are just explaining that given the god you imagine who they might have happened. You are essentially saying nothing at all therefore.
2) You are just explaining away inconveniences by making up more things to add to the things you have already made up. Listen to a child explain why you can not see his imaginary friend sometime. They get quite imaginative thinking of all kinds of wonderful reasons why they can see it and you can not. You are just doing the same here and it is just as impressive, and amusing.
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He does it through those who are born again. He has now come into those who believe on Jesus, and He confirms the Gospel with miracles and the overall impact that Christians have on society. So, He is revealing Himself still today, with true evidence of His existence. This is why I'm a believer, based on true reasonings.
If one parses this paragraph all it actually says is "I am a believer because some other people are too". You have not shown any miracles nor is the impact you describe causally linked to religion in any way.
Or Adam could be perfect, and have the choice of falling from perfection.
If Adam was perfect, even if he had the choice of falling from perfection, his state of perfection would still have led him to make the perfect choice and not fall. Look, the choices you're indicating are to remain in a state of perfection or to fall from perfection. Perfection is just that. It's unfailing. That he fell simply means he wasn't perfect human in the first place. Why would a perfect, unfailing God create an imperfect man who was doomed eventually fail?
If Adam was perfect, even if he had the choice of falling from perfection, his state of perfection would still have led him to make the perfect choice and not fall. Look, the choices you're indicating are to remain in a state of perfection or to fall from perfection. Perfection is just that. It's unfailing. That he fell simply means he wasn't perfect human in the first place. Why would a perfect, unfailing God create an imperfect man who was doomed eventually fail?
If he had the choice, he had the choice. That is the definition of free will. His perfection will not take away from his ability to make free choices. Man thought that God was keeping something from him, and that is why they fell into error. Satan fell when he began to have pride within himself, thinking he could take God's position. Those choices don't say anything about being in a perfect state, they are only choices that are made.
God Himself could make the choice of breaking His own standard, and if He did, He too would fall from that standard. (Which is perfection)
If he had the choice, he had the choice. That is the definition of free will. His perfection will not take away from his ability to make free choices. Man thought that God was keeping something from him, and that is why they fell into error. Satan fell when he began to have pride within himself, thinking he could take God's position. Those choices don't say anything about being in a perfect state, they are only choices that are made.
So then you're implying that God didn't know which choice they'd make?
I'm saying He couldn't have known what choice they "would" make before they were created.
That would mean God isn't all knowing.
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