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Old 05-30-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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God says we're made in his image and while they're nice people in the world, alot of the world is filled with hate,ignorance,crime,war,liars,corruption,anger,lu st,greed etc etc? So how are we made in his image? Wouldn't we be made in the image of both him and the devil?
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:13 PM
 
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By image, I think that refers to physical image only.
Bob.
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:18 PM
 
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I don't think "image" means as we think it does, in the same sense that the "Son of God" does not mean as we would think.

I think it's referring to man having a mind, body, and spirit, as God is the Father (will/mind), the Son (body), and Spirit (the force that relates between things, like a pulse in the body or radiation from the body to external things)

there isn't much to see in the Bible if you read it concretely and lifelessly.
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:25 PM
 
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God says we're made in his image and while they're nice people in the world, alot of the world is filled with hate,ignorance,crime,war,liars,corruption,anger,lu st,greed etc etc? So how are we made in his image? Wouldn't we be made in the image of both him and the devil?
For starters, you don't appear to know what the word "image" means. An "image" is the representation of something's physical qualities. You look in the mirror and you see your image. A child that looks like his father is often said to be "the spittin' image of his dad." Identical twins are thought of as being the very image of one another, regardless of how different their personalities may be. When you take a picture of something with a camera, you are producing the image of what that thing looks like. Even when we say that someone is the image of good health, we mean he appears to be healthy, that judging from the way he looks, he's in good health.

There is no such thing as a "spiritual image," which it appears you are suggesting the word means. If anything, the word "likeness" could pertain to non-physical qualities, but the word "image" cannot. Likewise, you can use the word "spiritual" to refer to "wealth" but not to "currency." There can be said to be such a thing as "spiritual wealth," but there is no such thing as "spiritual $20 bills." An image is the representation of something's physical, not spiritual qualities.

Genesis 1:24-25 (from the KJV) states, "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

The very next verses continue by saying, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Verses 24 and 25 were obviously talking about the physical creation of all animal life and were pointing out that each form of life would reproduce after its own kind. Immediately afterwards, we have God saying that man would be created in God's image and likeness. I see absolutely no reason on earth to assume that we are suddenly moving from the subject of a physical creation of life that would produce after its kind to a discussion of the non-physical attributes and potential qualities of man, God's greatest creation.

Just a few chapters later, we are told that Adam had a son and that this son was "in his own image, after his likeness." What God had said would happen in terms of each species reproducing its own kind took place when Adam first had a son who, like him, was in the likeness of a human. Simply put, Adam's son bore a physical resemblance to him. The wording in Genesis 1, describing man -- the God's offspring, and the wording in Genesis 5, describing Seth -- Adam's offspring, is virtually identical. Why would we assume anything other than that the meaning was the same?

If humans were physically made in God's image, doesn't that imply that God has a body? Uh... yes. That's exactly what it implies. The New Testament tells us that Jesus was "in the express image of His [Father's] person." This makes no sense, if Jesus Father was not also in the form of a person. Understand that I'm not saying that God has a mortal body or that Jesus Christ now has a mortal body. Once resurrected, Jesus had a perfect, glorified, celestial, immortal body. He ascended into Heaven with that body and we are told that He will return the same way He left. He is no longer subject to death, disease, pain, disfigurment, etc. He will continue to exist forever exactly as His exists now -- with an immortal body, one that appears essentially human but is sustained by spirit, not blood.

I believe that when Stephen looked up into Heaven and saw Jesus on the right hand of His Father, He saw two immortal beings that were recognizable as a Father and a Son. The scriptures say this. They don't say that Stephen saw one glorious being sitting on the right hand of some nebulous thing that was unidentifiable.
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:26 PM
 
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God says we're made in his image and while they're nice people in the world, alot of the world is filled with hate,ignorance,crime,war,liars,corruption,anger,lu st,greed etc etc? So how are we made in his image? Wouldn't we be made in the image of both him and the devil?
Careful now, you're inadvertantly giving credence to the claim.

Christians will no doubt argue that we were made in Gods image..... originaly. But, when Eve persuaded Adam to bite the apple, we fell from the graces of Gods image.

I would counter by saying that since man sinned, and we were made in Gods image, God to must be capable of sinning, thereby making the concept of a perfect God null and void.
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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Katzpur, if God created the physical world, what is the nature of what/where God is?

when Paul writes that Jesus is the image of the invisble God, he is talking about the glory of Jesus. My approach trickles down from that.
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Old 05-30-2012, 08:04 PM
 
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oh i assumed when he said image he didn't just mean physical appearance but something deeper... because there is several definitions for the word "image"
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:38 AM
 
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oh i assumed when he said image he didn't just mean physical appearance but something deeper... because there is several definitions for the word "image"
Yeah, it is the old flexipreferential apologist's dictionary of definitions which is not yet in print but everyone has one
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:32 AM
 
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Its very simple.

Man......Actual self....Known self.....Societal self.

God...The Holy Spirit..God the Father...Jesus.


Man...3 distinct making the one
God...3 distinct making the one
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:39 AM
 
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By image, I think that refers to physical image only.
Bob.
I just cant imagine some 6ft white guy with long hair and beard floating around in space throwing universes together.
I think the image thing is something other than physical and would say symbolic of mans mental aspect but then theres a lot of mean, hateful,evil people out there so i dont know what the term refers to.
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