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Astrology is just as legitimate a science as Psychology IMHO.
I don't recommend either, and astrology is forbidden in the Bible along with all other forms of divination.
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The foundation stone of modern chemistry.
A perfect example of how science "evolves" - when a new model of understanding the Universe is found, and it answers more questions than the previous, it is adopted as a new model. Pointing out that the different sciences had their origins in older, out-dated models only shows exactly that - nothing more. The logic you're using sounds akin to claiming that something doesn't work (say, a modern laptop computer) because we once used older, room-sized computing machines - or because we had to use paper and pencil to perform our caluclations with.
That is the basic idea of science - proposing theories for why things are the way they are, and then having the willingess to jettison those theories once a new, better theory is proposed. It is the same reason we do not drive Model-T's anymore.
Anyone that suggests evolution is a myth IS delusional and/or poorly educated. Offering anything remotely linked to the genesis story as valid is childish and moronic.
Our opinions differ. I have complete faith in God's Word, but little confidence in modern "science". You are betting on the wrong horse.
Our opinions differ. I have complete faith in God's Word, but little confidence in modern "science". You are betting on the wrong horse.
so why aren't you living off the grid away from modern conveniences that are results of science? the computer that is conected to the internet, the house you are living in with electricity, heat during the winter, air conditioning, pipes and sewer systems, the water you use for cooking which undergoe purification treatments, phone and cellphones, our medival system which are rsules of biological science incliuding evolutionary science(don't you think disease causing pathogens evolved into new strains?)
stop being a hypocrite live off the grid away from 21 century technology and conveniences which are product of modern science you hate so much
so why aren't you living off the grid away from modern conveniences that are results of science? the computer that is conected to the internet, the house you are living in with electricity, heat during the winter, air conditioning, pipes and sewer systems, the water you use for cooking which undergoe purification treatments, phone and cellphones, our medival system which are rsules of biological science incliuding evolutionary science(don't you think disease causing pathogens evolved into new strains?)
stop being a hypocrite live off the grid away from 21 century technology and conveniences which are product of modern science you hate so much
But then he couldn't come on here to tell us how wrong we are
so why aren't you living off the grid away from modern conveniences that are results of science? the computer that is conected to the internet, the house you are living in with electricity, heat during the winter, air conditioning, pipes and sewer systems, the water you use for cooking which undergoe purification treatments, phone and cellphones, our medival system which are rsules of biological science incliuding evolutionary science(don't you think disease causing pathogens evolved into new strains?)
stop being a hypocrite live off the grid away from 21 century technology and conveniences which are product of modern science you hate so much
Well, it's just like how they take certain verses outside of their literary or cultural context (from the OT especially) to support some of their worst beliefs, but ignore the things they don't like to hear. Apparently these Fundamentalists only follow the areas of science they like as well.
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I think you are forgetting Genesis 1:24-25: "And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good."
PS: The bible is a SPIRITUAL Guide, not a history or science book. It deals out SPIRITUAL lessons in METAPHORS, aka: PARABLES.
God be with you.
Good post however, what you are saying is dinosaurs co-existed with man right? Yes or NO. I just want to see what people who believe in God thinks. This seems to be one of the questions that puzzles all Christians, because there is never a striaght up answer.
And that the old "T" could be easily repaired by the average person and last for more than a lifetime.
And? How does this extension of the analogy benefit your claims? I don't see many people driving Model-T's around and then repairing them when they break, do you?
Remember when that was the big draw of the Volkswagon? That it was sturdy and easily repairable? The latter claim tended to imply that the former was not true - when a car advertises itself as "easy to fix", then one suspects that it is more likely to break (just ask any former "old" Volkswagon owner about their beloved VW). Look at Volkswagons today, however. They have "evolved" past that to a car that operates better and is less likely to break down. Mechanics hook computers up to them to diganose them, to name just one major way of how their relatioship to them has changed. They (automobile makers) have advanced the way automobiles operate, with increased benefits in many areas. Some things have been lost, of course - but that's part of evolution: getting rid of old, uneeded models or features that are no longer reasonably explanatory for how the world works.
Without science (which does not work on Faith) and rationalism - those things you seem to think are based on nothingness (unlike Faith, which is admittedly based on Nothing, from Paul's words) - we wouldn't even be having this conversation on the internet. It works. We may, as individuals - you and me - , not understand exactly HOW it works, but someone does. And they made it work using scientific and rational principles - not by praying. To admit the usefulness of science in this instance, and then to claim that it is entirely false when it suits your purpose (say, with the existence of Dinosaurs and humans at the same time) - is that not the very apex of hypocrisy?
A billion years (or none at all) of time can be fit between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. Evolution is a myth, a scientific conceit. The dinosaurs may have existed, flourished, and perished before Adam was created.
Geological/Palaeonotological evidence indicates that they did and then some. Just what are you arguing about?
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(alchemy) The foundation stone of modern chemistry.
But as Whoppers pointed out above, we have moved on. Scientifically validated results is what counts, not whether someone is a famous scientist nor whether he was a God - believer or not. You have sidestepped the point that Newton's scientific credentials nor his god - belief prove ipso facto his views are correct. What counts is the validity of his work. That effort on Alchemy, Astrology and Daniel was a waste of time. That on light, gravity and physics was of value. His God belief did him no favours.
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Astrology is just as legitimate a science as Psychology IMHO.
I don't recommend either, and astrology is forbidden in the Bible along with all other forms of divination.
You still miss the point and your opinion is neither here nor there, and the validity or not of astrology should be based on science, not on the opinions of the Bible.
Now that we have dispensed with irrelevancies and futile attempts to score cheap points, such as your tosh about the sentimental value of keeping antique cars running, do you actually have any case to make at all, and what in fact is your case on dinosaurs and god - do you in fact have any problem with dinosaurs as fact and having existed before humans?
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Only a person devoid of all cognitive skills would deny the oodles of fossils. Only a person devoid of all cognitive skills would suggest they were around the same time as humans.
QED.
Yep! I'd say that Bedeshi has given us the answer to his question....
"What kind of education do you suppose I have had?"
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