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There are billions of stars. There is always something happening "up there" in the universe.
So if you say something like "There will be signs in stars" you have essentially said nothing at all. You can either retrospectively fit some event in the stars to any event that occurs here on earth, or find some event that is happening at any point in time you want.
Much theistic "prediction" and "prophecy" works in this fashion. You simply cast a massively wide net and simply fit events to prophecies or vice versa as you see fit.
Are you saying that astrology was created *after* the books were written, in an attempt to justify the signs in the Bible? And then, they didn't even bother to mention that?
How would they even know with such precision what could have only been discovered with astronomical software today?
By the way, I am not certain that John and Daniel entirely understood what it was that it was exactly that they were writing at the time.
I consider the explanation of Matthew's silly story about wise men upping sticks and traipsing off to judea to pay homage to a jewish scion of a long defunct royal line because of some astronomical object should disqualify any astronomer who proposes it from holding any post more intellectually demanding than flipping burgers.
Wait a sec! Don't be getting no halfwit astronomers to start, up and taking, all the burger flipping positions. The busterkeatons of the world gotta work, too, ya know.....
Are you saying that astrology was created *after* the books were written, in an attempt to justify the signs in the Bible? And then, they didn't even bother to mention that?
I am saying that if you want to retrospectively fit events to other events and pretend you have made a "prophecy" then a line like "There will be signs in the stars" is extremely useful because there is ALWAYS something going on in the starts.
I warrant if you look hard enough you could find an event in the stars that happened JUST as you had your lunch yesterday.
Apparently the astrological signs used to have more significance, and have become more corrupted in recent times.
You do know that the "astrological signs" were made up by ancient Greeks with vivid imaginations, right? The idea that they could ever possibly have any significance is silly, because the stars you see only have that particular configuration when viewed from Earth. Stand on a different planet (which will have a different viewing angle) and you won't see those configurations at all.
Oh, wait...an argument like that isn't going to fly in a thread like this. Sorry for having interrupted.
You do know that the "astrological signs" were made up by ancient Greeks with vivid imaginations, right? The idea that they could ever possibly have any significance is silly, because the stars you see only have that particular configuration when viewed from Earth. Stand on a different planet (which will have a different viewing angle) and you won't see those configurations at all.
Oh, wait...an argument like that isn't going to fly in a thread like this. Sorry for having interrupted.
Your belief and mine are both based upon preconceived ideas.
I could easily say that God may have inspired the original signs to the ancient Greeks, just as he inspired the biblical prophecies. And, IF that were the case, and if there were other people of faith in a different area in the same galaxy, they could have their own signs which could tell the same basic story. Nothing is too difficult for a God who spoke the universe into existence.
Your belief and mine are both based upon preconceived ideas.
I could easily say that God may have inspired the original signs to the ancient Greeks, just as he inspired the biblical prophecies. And, IF that were the case, and if there were other people of faith in a different area in the same galaxy, they could have their own signs which could tell the same basic story. Nothing is too difficult for a God who spoke the universe into existence.
Except getting people to believe in him. Go figure
Your belief and mine are both based upon preconceived ideas.
I could easily say that God may have inspired the original signs to the ancient Greeks, just as he inspired the biblical prophecies. And, IF that were the case, and if there were other people of faith in a different area in the same galaxy, they could have their own signs which could tell the same basic story. Nothing is too difficult for a God who spoke the universe into existence.
"IF" is a huge word. You can believe that (and I suspect you already do). But you can't actually prove it. So it's just one more case of your word against someone else's.
"Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years.'"
"The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples have seen His glory."
"After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy."
"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars."
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Last December I watched a DVD called Star of Bethlehem. It had a lot of interesting info about the astrological events which were occurring during key events of the Bible. Corresponding to visions recorded in the Bible such as the book of Daniel and the book of the Revelation. Only recently has anyone researched what was occurring in conjunction with key dates mentioned in the Bible. Apparently the astrological signs used to have more significance, and have become more corrupted in recent times.
Many who have viewed this have considered it a recent revelation.
Has anyone else seen this? What do you think of it?
There are various speculations on what the Star of Bethlehem really is/was. Whatever it was, it was apparently part of what helped lead the Magi (not 3 kings but Persion necromancic "priests" from the Parthian empire that evidently knew the Daniel 9:25 prophecy). Some believe that this priesthood originated from Daniel in Babylon 500 so BC.
The Zodiac is a corruption of the Hebrew Mazzaroth. Virgo the Virgin holding the branch (tsemech) << title for Messiah which goes all the way to "Leo the Lion"/Lion of the Tribe of Judah < Royal tribe of messiah. The plan of God written in the heavens.
Messiah born of a virgin. Comes back as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah to redeem the Creation once and for all.
Religious fortune telling. Sweet!
Why is God either a magician, a jeanie in a bottle, or a fortune teller?
If given your logic you'd believe in none of these but when it comes to god, it's a free for all.
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