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Old 06-15-2012, 11:02 PM
 
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"Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years.'"

"The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples have seen His glory."

"After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy."

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars."

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Last December I watched a DVD called Star of Bethlehem. It had a lot of interesting info about the astrological events which were occurring during key events of the Bible. Corresponding to visions recorded in the Bible such as the book of Daniel and the book of the Revelation. Only recently has anyone researched what was occurring in conjunction with key dates mentioned in the Bible. Apparently the astrological signs used to have more significance, and have become more corrupted in recent times.

Many who have viewed this have considered it a recent revelation.

Has anyone else seen this? What do you think of it?
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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People paid a lot more attention to the stars back then because there was no electricity so you could actually see them at night, and no TV to distract them.

We also have this annoying tendency to look for patterns and meaning in everything we see. The movements of the stars are not mystical, we know that now because our perspective is broader... we know what the stars are, where they are in relation to us/each other and what forces govern their behavior.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:52 AM
 
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The Star of Bethlehem from the Bible in Matthew 2..... See this is Not a Astrology concept of two or three planets in conjunction creating a brighter glow, which many liberal free minded people think as this is the only concept if ideas that they may have..... Where this Star was first seen in the east from Matthew 2: 2, 7..... Then the star moved from Matthew 2: 9....``When they had heard the King departed , and look the star which they saw in the east , went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was....When they saw the star they rejoiced with exceeding great joy...``..... See this star Is the Lord God and a Apparition of God presence..... like the burning bush of Moses , which the voice of God came and the fire did not consume the bush,,... or the pillars of fire that protected Moses from the attacking Egyptian forces ..... The Lord God eternal flame which if you ever seen it is a color of pure white , and Not yellow or red or blue like the fires that consume carbon of the earth......
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Old 06-16-2012, 05:03 AM
 
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"Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years.'"

"The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples have seen His glory."

"After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy."

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars."

*

Last December I watched a DVD called Star of Bethlehem. It had a lot of interesting info about the astrological events which were occurring during key events of the Bible. Corresponding to visions recorded in the Bible such as the book of Daniel and the book of the Revelation. Only recently has anyone researched what was occurring in conjunction with key dates mentioned in the Bible. Apparently the astrological signs used to have more significance, and have become more corrupted in recent times.

Many who have viewed this have considered it a recent revelation.

Has anyone else seen this? What do you think of it?
I consider the explanation of Matthew's silly story about wise men upping sticks and traipsing off to judea to pay homage to a jewish scion of a long defunct royal line because of some astronomical object should disqualify any astronomer who proposes it from holding any post more intellectually demanding than flipping burgers.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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The star "stopped" by what is known as retrograde motion. It was mainly a planet rather than a star. It also conjoined with other stars and planets to form the brightest astronomical event in thousands of years. That occurred on December 25th, a few years BC. The date of December 25 is traditionally held by one of the orthodox churches as the night that the magi/wise men visited the child, rather than his birthday. Jesus was born around 5 BC.

This is all verifiable with astronomical software which replicates what was occurring in the skies over Bethlehem at the time. Something that couldn't have been done until recently. The "star" is actually the LEAST interesting of the many complex signs described in the Bible.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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Here is an extra bonus clip.


The Star Of Bethlehem - BONUS - YouTube
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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I'm very sorry, but the silly, silly fable in Matthew makes no sense. Now I don't doubt that there were many curious conjunctions of astronomical bodies in the sky during the 1st centuries (AD and BC) and they no doubt had the astrologers poring over their star- charts, but packing their blasted camels to go jogging off to Judea in search of a Jewish King - especially one where, when they got to Jerusalem they had to ask Herod where they should be looking.

Don't you see that it is utterly silly?
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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I'm very sorry, but the silly, silly fable in Matthew makes no sense. Now I don't doubt that there were many curious conjunctions of astronomical bodies in the sky during the 1st centuries (AD and BC) and they no doubt had the astrologers poring over their star- charts, but packing their blasted camels to go jogging off to Judea in search of a Jewish King - especially one where, when they got to Jerusalem they had to ask Herod where they should be looking.

Don't you see that it is utterly silly?
I can barely understand what your point is.
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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I can barely understand what your point is.
I can only assume that is because you have your brain switched off. The point is that the whole star of Bethlehem story is utterly stupid.
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:53 AM
 
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"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars."
You have to love the tactics of theism.

There are billions of stars. There is always something happening "up there" in the universe.

So if you say something like "There will be signs in stars" you have essentially said nothing at all. You can either retrospectively fit some event in the stars to any event that occurs here on earth, or find some event that is happening at any point in time you want.

Much theistic "prediction" and "prophecy" works in this fashion. You simply cast a massively wide net and simply fit events to prophecies or vice versa as you see fit.
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