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It's before the Creation. There is only God. Whether he's one, three in one, a pantheon, whatever, he's an all-powerful deity who hasn't created ANYTHING yet. Not time, not space, not anything. He is pure consciousness.
Where do Good and Evil fit into this picture?
Because aren't Good and Evil mutually depended on each other, like East and West? How does one begin to define 'Good' if one has no concept of Evil? How can God be purely good if there's nothing to compare it with?
Good is a function on contrast, as is Evil.
Then did good AND evil exist when God was all there was? If so how could evil also exist, if God is all good?
Is it possible God had elements of both good and evil?
If not, how then did Evil originate? Where did the seed that was implanted into Satan or whatever malicious deity come from? Did God initiate this disorder?
Is the idea of God being 'good' different to being objectively 'perfect'?
Is God thus bound by some higher principle of Good and Evil?
Some of this is answered in Bible reference...SIN and Evil are a resulting factor of THought, Acts, in opposition to God,.. and repercusions of those two estates....in the now..show causality and effectual answers....
And God states what sin is...it is being disobediant to the truth of him and his word and instructions...whether we like it or not...God is trying to make us comply...at first by being strict with us....and then finding if he is too strict, he loses more souls or people...as they turn to the easiest and most selfish and or most costly...or the one promising easy street....while the givens go to poo poo....
So what causes sin and evil.??..it is a mental problem some might say...or it is a spiritual one another will say...Jesus cast out demons?...perhaps something to that being true?
And if God says no engraven Imaged thing, in a law...then when we break the law..punishment comes about....some do not like the punishements...but God does not like the sins and evils....which are continually done for that IDOL told not to make or have or make important for Life or more important that he God.
And look...they subject everything to that coin or bill or state of mind or accounting...and then it fails them all who support it....cause God said not to do so....and he is going to knock it down or cause plagues , with all kinds of woes and wrath...and pestilences......and they still do not see the truth of it being so....perhaps the coins placed on their eyes when they died, are still on their eyes or have sunken into their heads , when awakened from the dead...?..how do we remove the delusion?
Anyway...as the world is going to Poo Poo....under that IDOL and the band of lying Men and Women and other states of contention, and or demensia in murder and warfare and human attrosities and even sacrifices of the children for it to be... done to eachother and the children continually under that IDOL......We can now see via opposites and causality from the Effect...and make notation/references to what is true, and what is lies...in accordance with the Bibles..instruction, laws, precepts, covantants..and breaking them....Prophecy seems to be coming true to some extent...and reasons why have been laid down before, and here after....and they still continue to denie it...and go on killing for it...and taking away what is not theirs...by way of warfare, and industrial madness...on those who cannot defend against it...
Oh well Then...More of the same old same old punishments with something special added in to make em go hmmm that is not normal nor natural......is on its way..perhaps? and they are preparing for it in other ways...top secret ways...which only make for more mistrust in the world, to cause more terror and fear..which they then will ask you to pay to be protected from, and war on continually...as they make both sides of any given confilict by not doing what God said to do........and maybe that is as it should be?....or do we change face? ..and space to a different tune?
."Do not put the Lord thy God to the Test"...and that is exactly what they are doing continually...for some odd reason...wonder why? $atan...Just might be the anti or opposite that creates a spin of thought in the head the wrong way, or against God?...."I Give you everything" mentioned in the Bible..shows sharing, and giving is Godly......and they make you pay for everything today, and taxed up the wazzoo...two distinct but different mindsets...which one is not allowed? which one is righteous?...or who's rule of thumb are we under? or believe in..??.if we use MONEY (a Idol of engraven thing made more important than Life or for Life or to take life, or to give life...it surely takes away the Given part)...a demi God that does not live?..)...instead of God...we have something else running this world to ruin...and they make you pay for that aswell...eh?...surely not tending and keeping it for all times and or given to all like God said...which creates destitution out of the oppression and sanctions, and such they empose on them others.....nor shared or cared for...in a proper state of mind///freely given.....and because it is not freely given..and what is given in a sin...it just continues to make causality and woe and wrath and pestilences come upon the face of the earth........But that is just my observation....
No act is either evil, good, or bad. Acts are just acts, and it is not until society places a value on them that they become good or evil. That value will be determined by that societies view on morality, which is relative and subjective.
No act is either evil, good, or bad. Acts are just acts, and it is not until society places a value on them that they become good or evil. That value will be determined by that societies view on morality, which is relative and subjective.
Relitive and subjective to who whom?...Is it not God who says He is the Judgement and or coordinator of Good...and that Good is the only thing he made at one point in time...?...if only Good was made...then bad or error was not with God, not intended to be with God...but in a change of face, part of his partnership went south...and in a opposing state created Quantum theories to be anti the Good theories...and in this state of flux (fighting) the opposer was cast out..and thrown down...lower than the other principles...for good reason...or bad reason?....hmmm...now if we do Good in our lives...according to God...we prosper....if we do bad in our lives...we suffer...there is a point to some of this being partly true...when something has already been defined as bad...and or creates bad....or error, or problems ...then solving them is in essence part of some based form of Truth...find the root cause of the problem...means truth must be used...when the root of the problem is found....remove, restore, or right it.....hence the problem is then solved for by way of truths...not errors...but errors can lead to the truth of themselves by showing signs something is not correct or truthful or in good working order.
SO when you say it is based on societies rule of thumb or perspective...that is not entirely true...if God was before humankind....and his laws, precepts,covenants and instructions were laid down pryor during and after the creation.
A higher power of thinking to gain results in something or for something..or by something....means a set of rules should apply that are sound in relitivity...to all living things...as this higher power is the creator of them...
Now if we have all things Good made for us by God and his word....and something is born out of that that is bad and makes all things bad......then something Good should be born out of all things bad in reciprical states of balance.....
laws...sometimes it is how you apply them to make truth...and good...and sound..and safe...and in that nothing bad needs to be, or can enter ....as Jesus said..."those who do the will of my father, shall enter Paradise"...it is a action...in likeness...to be like ...and to do like....once that is done completely...we move into the new...out of the bad..into the Good...it has already been defined...it does not change...it is constant.
and look..there is still evil and bad and sin...So we are not there yet persay...but some are making headway...
God had Angels and spirits and demons who were Not evil before the creation of homo sapiens...... but through free will and then control their own existence many angels and all demons lost respect and honor and love for God was gone , ..... So evil was alive ......, As before God had rejected evil, and became perfect love in all Gods existence....... So demons became fallen and many angels are rejected out of heaven by God .... Where the fall of man into the evil out of God perfect plan , where Jesus opens the door for people to become Children of God and removes evil out of their authority in the spirit ........ But this open door is closed for fallen angels and demons and other dark spirits of the earth ...... See God did not make evil for His purpose , see darkness was not a good thing at creation , So God created light which was a good thing ..... And told man to choose life and Goodness, and gave all free will .......The dark spirit are manipulators for man to be evil and these beings in the spirit are not a conjecture of ideas
Relitive and subjective to who whom?...Is it not God who says He is the Judgement and or coordinator of Good..
Though I did read the entirety of your post, I didn't have to read past the first sentence. Your point assumes the existence of a God, that is the first flaw. You have to prove that he/she/it esists. Once you have done that, then and only then can we have a discussion about absolutes in the realm of good and evil which, let me save you the trouble, do not exist.
Relative and subjective to a meaningless entity simply because it came first and forced us to exist? seams rather Satan-like and tyrannical. If this supernatural dictator is intrinsically *insert scapegoat phrase here* then Karma or the Universe itself could be competition with these "intrinsic" qualities.
Good and evil came about in the creation god so god had to grow first and it would take him trillions of years to perfect his creation and that day is armageddon where all evil will be eliminated once and for all
Good and evil came about in the creation god so god had to grow first and it would take him trillions of years to perfect his creation and that day is armageddon where all evil will be eliminated once and for all
So what you are saying is that evil origination from God's hands (WORD), its essence is God's imperfection, and God's only solution is to get rid of it eventually?
Though I did read the entirety of your post, I didn't have to read past the first sentence. Your point assumes the existence of a God, that is the first flaw. You have to prove that he/she/it esists. Once you have done that, then and only then can we have a discussion about absolutes in the realm of good and evil which, let me save you the trouble, do not exist.
Thank You for reading into my minds eye...I do not assume God...I know God is in existance in a state of darkness...a dark matter...?...or there is a entity that resides in Dark matter....be it God or Satan...not sure which one....But I have seen this Darkness, and the Entity....When I was a child doing something in sowing seeds of a particular kind....HEMP....and not knowing what it was, or why it was being prohibited....I sowed the seeds for the Birds which we (Brother and I) were finding sickly and suffering outside ...due to?...surely a sign something is wrong with the enviroments in which they reside in perhaps?........and our love for them, to Get good healthy seed, and sow them to make more Bird seeds....So God could feed them....see a line of reference to this in Biblical notation?..."God loves the Birds and feeds them, and they do not herd things into barns, how much more will he love those who do his will and fulfill his words?) Jesus says...or something like that...So when doing what God asks we do..Tend and keep the garden with all seed and tree and bush yeilding seed or fruit or veg....we do Good....when we do not do what God asks = SIN...we lean towards problems and suffering cause and effect, and eventually woe and wrath if it is not corrected, and it continues to be done wrong or in error to God's word and will....
Now I assume you know the wrath and woes are upon us...because something is wrong with the matrix...and humans as usual are the cause of this...sabbotage of the enviromental balance God made good...in underming the planets well being for a IDOL told not to have or make more important than He , it , she, he, him...as you put it...God is spirit of truth...holder of Good and maker of Good...if you repute God...then error will always be with you....and woe, and suffering, and wrath, and plague, and pestilences to,,,...why?...surely not because I assume...but because I am truthfully correct....and the hail comes, and the stormy seas and waters...and the land suffers drought and fireseason...crops damaged, and projected gains go to nothing...and debt goes unpaid..which means more taxes and higher prices to live in the system under the IDOL...with less!....surely not prospering....and look they sacrifice children for it...and make wars with lies to have em served to whom?..no not whom..What...a economic stupidity....and it continuses by way of the supporters....Not tending and keeping the Garden...but polluting it with all kinds of vial acts and thoughts....surely my assumption on this has been validated by now?....well lets see where it goes..and watch it burn, and get bashed by my assumption then....
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..and space to a different tune?
$atan...Just might be the anti or opposite that creates a spin of thought in the head the wrong way, or against God?...."I Give you everything" mentioned in the Bible..shows sharing, and giving is Godly......and they make you pay for everything today, and taxed up the wazzoo...two distinct but different mindsets...which one is not allowed? which one is righteous?...or who's rule of thumb are we under? or believe in..??.if we use MONEY (a Idol of engraven thing made more important than Life or for Life or to take life, or to give life...it surely takes away the Given part)...a demi God that does not live?..)...instead of God...we have something else running this world to ruin...and they make you pay for that aswell...eh?...surely not tending and keeping it for all times and or given to all like God said...which creates destitution out of the oppression and sanctions, and such they empose on them others.....nor shared or cared for...in a proper state of mind///freely given.....and because it is not freely given..and what is given in a sin...it just continues to make causality and woe and wrath and pestilences come upon the face of the earth........But that is just my observation....
