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you are a very literal person. I will continue to talk to you like you talk to me.
and try to stay on what the post meant. "... no ba jesus .." could have meant chocolate chip cookies and it didn't mean squat to the post.
The meaning of the post is that a statement of belief about god needs to be kept out of government. If we let them mix we get stupid things like not letting a high schooler say "thank god" because its an affront to some atheist. Usually ones that have hurt or scarred. people with PTSD are not the best evaluators of laws.
That last paragraph is better. Yes, formal religion should be kept out of government and schools. Usually that doesn't mean that personal statements -- in the appropriate situation -- can't be made. For example, our school (as outlined by the school system) allowed religious clubs under the following conditions: 1) they were clubs actually organized by students; 2) they had to abide by regular school rules; 3) no proselytizing; and 4) a teacher could not be actively involved in club, but a teacher had to be present to assure student safety, etc. The club in our school operated under those conditions, held a morning prayer at the flag pole, and had meetings after school twice a month (or more). There were no problems. In 33 years I was never in a school where students couldn't say something like "thank god".
And you need to stop thinking that based on a few anecdotes that various posters write about that you're qualified to decide who has PTSD. I've worked extensively, through counseling, with one person who has actual PTSD. And your version of slapping that diagnosis on people based on a few posts trivializes the term and the concept. All of us are shaped by things from our childhood, and all the way up through the last day that we are alive. All of us in our lives are hurt and scarred by some things, and uplifted by others. It's part of being human. You're not going to feel very comfortable if some of us start diagnosing you. You personalize everything, even when people tell you that they don't want to have a discussion with you, you follow them around and taunt them. I'm not going to be foolish enough to try to diagnose your issues based on your posts. But you need to spend some time in front of the mirror.
And by the way, if "... no ba jesus .." "didn't mean squat to the post", then leave it out. It only made it more confusing.
That last paragraph is better. Yes, formal religion should be kept out of government and schools. Usually that doesn't mean that personal statements -- in the appropriate situation -- can't be made. For example, our school (as outlined by the school system) allowed religious clubs under the following conditions: 1) they were clubs actually organized by students; 2) they had to abide by regular school rules; 3) no proselytizing; and 4) a teacher could not be actively involved in club, but a teacher had to be present to assure student safety, etc. The club in our school operated under those conditions, held a morning prayer at the flag pole, and had meetings after school twice a month (or more). There were no problems. In 33 years I was never in a school where students couldn't say something like "thank god".
And you need to stop thinking that based on a few anecdotes that various posters write about that you're qualified to decide who has PTSD. I've worked extensively, through counseling, with one person who has actual PTSD. And your version of slapping that diagnosis on people based on a few posts trivializes the term and the concept. All of us are shaped by things from our childhood, and all the way up through the last day that we are alive. All of us in our lives are hurt and scarred by some things, and uplifted by others. It's part of being human. You're not going to feel very comfortable if some of us start diagnosing you. You personalize everything, even when people tell you that they don't want to have a discussion with you, you follow them around and taunt them. I'm not going to be foolish enough to try to diagnose your issues based on your posts. But you need to spend some time in front of the mirror.
And by the way, if "... no ba jesus .." "didn't mean squat to the post", then leave it out. It only made it more confusing.
Who appointed you arbiter of how we are supposed to post in this forum, phet?
Who appointed you arbiter of how we are supposed to post in this forum, phet?
No. My point is that no one is arbiter. But if Arach wants to have a discussion with me -- which he must since he keeps following me around -- then he's need to make having a discussion a bit more pleasant and meaningful. It your standards are lower, that's fine.
That last paragraph is better. Yes, formal religion should be kept out of government and schools. Usually that doesn't mean that personal statements -- in the appropriate situation -- can't be made. For example, our school (as outlined by the school system) allowed religious clubs under the following conditions: 1) they were clubs actually organized by students; 2) they had to abide by regular school rules; 3) no proselytizing; and 4) a teacher could not be actively involved in club, but a teacher had to be present to assure student safety, etc. The club in our school operated under those conditions, held a morning prayer at the flag pole, and had meetings after school twice a month (or more). There were no problems. In 33 years I was never in a school where students couldn't say something like "thank god".
And you need to stop thinking that based on a few anecdotes that various posters write about that you're qualified to decide who has PTSD. I've worked extensively, through counseling, with one person who has actual PTSD. And your version of slapping that diagnosis on people based on a few posts trivializes the term and the concept. All of us are shaped by things from our childhood, and all the way up through the last day that we are alive. All of us in our lives are hurt and scarred by some things, and uplifted by others. It's part of being human. You're not going to feel very comfortable if some of us start diagnosing you. You personalize everything, even when people tell you that they don't want to have a discussion with you, you follow them around and taunt them. I'm not going to be foolish enough to try to diagnose your issues based on your posts. But you need to spend some time in front of the mirror.
And by the way, if "... no ba jesus .." "didn't mean squat to the post", then leave it out. It only made it more confusing.
to funny phet. My main point is to apply the same rigor to ourselves as we do others.
to look at why we are triggered by the word god and to ask if that triggering can skew our perspectives.
the problem phet .... you don't run from me because I am wrong you run because I have a point. people are people and broken people have broken beliefs. weather they are god or anti-god doesn't make a difference. They are both broken.
faith based people need to be kept from law making. weather in anti-god mode or god mode.
to funny phet. My main point is to apply the same rigor to ourselves as we do others.
to look at why we are triggered by the word god and to ask if that triggering can skew our perspectives.
the problem phet .... you don't run from me because I am wrong you run because I have a point. people are people and broken people have broken beliefs. weather they are god or anti-god doesn't make a difference. They are both broken.
faith based people need to be kept from law making. weather in anti-god mode or god mode.
Do you know the old saying? It takes one to know one.
Do you have a response about religion in school and business, or not? If not, I'll move along.
Christian Quaker William Penn founded Pennsylvania with the total separation of church and state to promote virtues. Just as many Quakers preached against an organized hierarchy within a church, many argued against an organized hierarchy propped up by government as we were often persecuted by governments in the past.
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