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Abuse in the church is bad, but not unique. Those who point the finger at religious folk who abuse need to consider that such actions are part of human nature and not unique to preists and other religious workers.
Abuse in the church is bad, but not unique. Those who point the finger at religious folk who abuse need to consider that such actions are part of human nature and not unique to preists and other religious workers.
Abuse in the church is bad, but not unique. Those who point the finger at religious folk who abuse need to consider that such actions are part of human nature and not unique to preists and other religious workers.
Seems this problem is not unique to the Church. Yet some folk would like you to believe that it is!
I agree that abuse is something that goes on everywhere. The point about it happening in church situations is significant because it means that any idea that religion is necessary to make people moral, stop society collapsing in anarchy or civilization cannot exist without it is clearly wrong. People will act no differently without it. We will still have the same problems and Religion - the churches - do not cure it. Oh yes, they hand out alms and soup, but that is giving aspirins for appendicitis.
What is also of great concern is apparent willingness of the Churches to cover it up. They don't even have the bad excuse that 'We didn't know'. Now they know and I see no sign that anything is being done about it within the church. It is still damage -limitation cover - up. Perhaps it's time for another approach.
At least in the secular world abuse of all kinds is being addressed, against children, against women, against racial types, the disadvantaged, the poor and the meek. And against this '*******' stuff we find the Churches pulling the other way.
Sure there is abuse in society but we prosecute those purp's and let prison justice take care of the pedophiles. The only humans that understand (and would protect) pedophiles are pedophiles so the priest, cardinal, bishops and now the Pope that help cover it up were(are) pedophiles and should be prosecuted and left to prison justice. That is why this ex catholic is now agnostic because if there is a god he wouldn't send his messenger's (priest) to do what they did.
The OP seems like a denialist's deflective excuse, to run and hide behind the skirts of "Oh yeah? Well, you guys do it too, so nyah!"
Fact is, the church always insists on being held to a much higher moral standard, which is obviously NOT the case in reality. And so, they should not have the influence we've generously granted them over the past few thousand years, since they seem to actually perpeterate and then harbor some of the worst offenders and acts.
This is then coupled with their vast but chosen illiteracy about the real world (a flat earth, Genesis, denial of the hard facts in evidence about, well... pretty much everything.) which makes their unsubtle approach all that much more egregious. And out-dated.
I agree that abuse is something that goes on everywhere. The point about it happening in church situations is significant because it means that any idea that religion is necessary to make people moral, stop society collapsing in anarchy or civilization cannot exist without it is clearly wrong.
Absolutely correct.
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Originally Posted by AREQUIPA
..., they hand out alms and soup, but that is giving aspirins for appendicitis.
I do think that the abuses that humans lay onto on another is a symptom of humanity itself. I think that the grounds for criticizing the church is that because religious institutions endlessly tell people how to live, what choices to make, who to vote for, what morals to follow etc. Sure non religious folks might also tell people how to live, but it's not like they have a massive and wealthy institution largely dedicated to it. Religious institutions tout themselves as being some kind of answer to the human condition and when they end up acting just like everyone else it kind of flies in the face of all that
This leads to a problem that I have with a huge portion of religious institutions. This problem is that the religious institutions spend a lot of their time dividing the population over subjects like who can marry who, and what everyone can watch on TV instead of doing something Christ-like. I personally feel that a lot of the atrocities that people commit to each other is a result, or at least complementary of being so divided. To clarify I don't think that the church is the only institution that is guilty of dividing the people, but it is certainly a large player.
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Shut the industry down!
Hypocricize much?
