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Until around 2007, the Catholic Church was still preaching that unchristened babies went to limbo so christening (baptism, if you will) was important ASAP.
The Vatican , IIRC, did not make a formal change, but changed its stance so as to ease the minds of parents who lost their babies before this could be done. It became pretty well accepted as a hope that god would not punish these innocents just because of a missed ritual.
The subject does require that which religion you're talking about be identified since there is so much variation.
Until around 2007, the Catholic Church was still preaching that unchristened babies went to limbo so christening (baptism, if you will) was important ASAP.
The Vatican , IIRC, did not make a formal change, but changed its stance so as to ease the minds of parents who lost their babies before this could be done. It became pretty well accepted as a hope that god would not punish these innocents just because of a missed ritual.
The subject does require that which religion you're talking about be identified since there is so much variation.
Yes I had forgotten about limbo, which had become a burden for Catholicism and would have been abandoned long ago if not for the embarrassment to the doctrine that the Pope and church councils are infallible.
To get back on topic, I don't believe we(believers) will see loved ones (non-believers) sad but true, a believer will want to be in Heaven with God to serve Him. I don't believe one iota of this reconciliation stuff, once you have died and not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, your name will not be in the Book of Life.
To get back on topic, I don't believe we(believers) will see loved ones (non-believers) sad but true, a believer will want to be in Heaven with God to serve Him. I don't believe one iota of this reconciliation stuff, once you have died and not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, your name will not be in the Book of Life.
So, in your version of religion, Anne Frank is in hell?
Last edited by DewDropInn; 07-29-2015 at 03:49 PM..
So, in your version of religion, Anne Frank is in hell?
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Originally Posted by perry335654
I don't know was she a non-believer, I will let God be the judge of that.
Which is another way of saying that yes, of course, Anne Frank and all the other non-Christians who died in concentration camps are in hell, unless they somehow became one of the chosen few who believed the "right things" before they were slaughtered.
Which is another way of saying that yes, of course, Anne Frank and all the other non-Christians who died in concentration camps are in hell, unless they somehow became one of the chosen few who believed the "right things" before they were slaughtered.
It's what fundamentalists, most of whom won't come right out and admit they believe the Jews murdered in the camps all went to hell, choose to believe.
Last edited by DewDropInn; 07-29-2015 at 08:23 PM..
That's entirely debatable, of course, and has been debated to death in the many threads here on Christian Universalism. However, since neither you nor I are Christians, nor do we accept the bible as the "word of God", it's not worth getting into.
It's what fundamentalists, most of whom won't come right out and admit they believe the Jews murdered in the camps all went to hell, choose to believe.
As far as I know, they believe stuff like that because they take verses like John 14:6 and John 3:16-18 (and others) literally. It's generally not because they are just meanies who want to believe that. From their perspective, they are just taking Jesus at his word.
Sadly, there are probably some conservative Christians who simply enjoy the thought of others suffering for eternity.
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