Judiasim created Christianity according to (translation, Isaiah, Revelation, prophecies)

[BP72]

The author states that, "indisputable evidence shows that Judaism (Israel), the progenitor of both Christianity and Islam, created Christianity as a means of protecting scriptural archives at a time when Rome was attempting to erase all signs of Judaism and its people from the face of the earth."

Here is the rest of the story... The Greatest Hoax Since the Beginning of Time is the Story of the Crucifixion of Jesus, According to Lou Baldin, the Author of the Newly Released Book, "Judas Crucified." - Yahoo! News

[Nunnor]

The Old Testament (Hebrew bible) was leading to the birth of Messiah (Jesus Christ), and then the New Testament started.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by BP72

The author states that, "indisputable evidence shows that Judaism (Israel), the progenitor of both Christianity and Islam, created Christianity as a means of protecting scriptural archives at a time when Rome was attempting to erase all signs of Judaism and its people from the face of the earth."

Here is the rest of the story... The Greatest Hoax Since the Beginning of Time is the Story of the Crucifixion of Jesus, According to Lou Baldin, the Author of the Newly Released Book, "Judas Crucified." - Yahoo! News

The entire Bible is about Jesus. They can claim whatever they want, but their Scriptures point to Jesus.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by Vizio

The entire Bible is about Jesus. They can claim whatever they want, but their Scriptures point to Jesus.

Although Christianity makes this claim, quite loudly sometimes...it is simply not true. The OT is not now, nor has it ever been about Jesus or Christianity...it is about Judaism and pertains solely to the Jewish people. It is their holy book and when they make a claim about it, they certainly do know what they are talking about no matter what Christianity says. People have become very creative in attempting to combine the two books...but that fails at every turn given the hundreds of contradictions found in them both.


Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

What was the Messiah supposed to accomplish while physically ruling on earth during his lifetime? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Specifically, the Bible says he will:

1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Jesus never fulfilled any of these things during his lifetime, which is why all past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

Although Christianity makes this claim, quite loudly sometimes...it is simply not true. The OT is not now, nor has it ever been about Jesus or Christianity...

Of course it is. Every single book is about how after the Fall of Adam and Eve God worked to bring the Messiah about.

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
   
   

1. Of course he did.
   

   Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

   Of course he did.
   

   Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
   

   Nonsense
   

   Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

   OK?
   

What was the Messiah supposed to accomplish while physically ruling on earth during his lifetime? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

And that will happen when he returns.

Specifically, the Bible says he will:

1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
   

1. And he will.
   

   Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

   And he will.
   

   Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

   And he will.
   

   Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
   

   And he will.
   

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Jesus never fulfilled any of these things during his lifetime, which is why all past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah.

He is the Messiah and he will fulfill those.

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Of course it is. Every single book is about how after the Fall of Adam and Eve God worked to bring the Messiah about.

Of course he did.

Of course he did.

Nonsense

OK?

And that will happen when he returns.

And he will.

And he will.

And he will.

And he will.

He is the Messiah and he will fulfill those.

Lot's of claims there. How about providing some support for those claims?

[Fullback32]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Of course it is. Every single book is about how after the Fall of Adam and Eve God worked to bring the Messiah about.

Of course he did.

Of course he did.

Nonsense

OK?

And that will happen when he returns.

And he will.

And he will.

And he will.

And he will.

He is the Messiah and he will fulfill those.

A typical day on CD religion forums.


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[JB from NC]

Originally Posted by Fullback32

A typical day on CD religion forums.

Heh, that seems like a good day.

[eddie gein]

It's always amazed me that people acknowledge that the Jews wrote the OT, followed the OT rules stringently. Studied the OT intently..................

But were too stupid to recognize their own messiah based on their own writings.

And then there is this...............

Of course it is. Every single book is about how after the Fall of Adam and Eve God worked to bring the Messiah about.

Of course he did.

Of course he did.

Nonsense

OK?

And that will happen when he returns.

And he will.

And he will.

And he will.

And he will.

He is the Messiah and he will fulfill those.

[/quote]

It is even funnier that the Jews anticipated "messiah" has never showed up.....................

and yours is roughly 2000 years and counting.

There is something immoral about these legends that somebody is going to come (back) and make everything all better.

All the time we spend waiting for messiah's to come or return could actually be spent on rational thought on how to make things better in this world and actions could be taken to do the same.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by Jaymax

Lot's of claims there. How about providing some support for those claims?

Try reading the Bible. Honestly...you threw out a lot of arguments there in shotgun fashion, hoping one would stick. If you'd like to discuss one, have at it. I'll prove my case. But I'm not going to spend an hour documenting 15 questions and have you ignore it.