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Old 12-02-2012, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I've saved this precious dialog in the early days of ISP's. It's my email. I haven't changed at all.

================
Subject: Strauss and Kissinger and the State Department
. But he could never understand why his German countrymen in the Weimar
> Republic democracy of the 1930s were too passive to stop the rise of
> the Jew-killing Nazis. (He was born a Jew, you see.)
>
> If you have any thoughts on that, Ms. Ethel Jean (Kowan) Saltz, even
> in his grave, I think Leo Strauss would like to hear them. Perhaps
> you're an idealist.
>
> Best regards,
> Tom Van Dyke
==========================

Well, for beginners, I've devoured MEIN KAMPF. So any professor who
says he doesn't understand Naziism is a puzzle for me. Especially if
he's Jewish and more so if he's German. I'll just use Hitler's own
words which I believe were written when he was in prison?

========================================

"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it."
-Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1

........

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am
defending the handiwork of the Lord

Here we meet the insolent objection, which is Jewish in its
inspiration and is typical of the modern pacifist. It says: "Man can
control even Nature."

Here also everything is copied, or
rather stolen; for the Jew could not possess any religious institution
which had developed out of his own consciousness, seeing
that he lacks every kind of idealism; which means that belief in a life
beyond this terrestrial existence is foreign to him. In the
Aryan mind no religion can ever be imagined unless it embodies the
conviction that life in some form or other will continue after
death. As a matter of fact, the Talmud is not a book that lays down
principles according to which the individual should prepare
for the life to come. It only furnishes rules for a practical and
convenient life in this world.

------------------

The failure of this Party to carry into effect the dream of saving
Austria from dissolution must be attributed to two main defects in the
means
they employed and also the lack of a clear perception of the ends they
wished to reach.

The anti-Semitism of the Christian-Socialists was based on religious
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
instead of racial principles. The reason for this mistake gave rise to the
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
second error also.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<


The founders of the Christian-Socialist Party were of the opinion that
they could not base their position on the racial principle if they wished
to save Austria, because they felt that a general disintegration of the
State might quickly result from the adoption of such a policy. In the
opinion of the Party chiefs the situation in Vienna demanded that all
factors which tended to estrange the nationalities from one another should
be carefully avoided and that all factors making for unity should be
encouraged.
======================= Endquote

Now what I need for the whole Planet is a correct count of all instances of YHWH in the Bible with a list of all instances. I have one I got from my Davka Soncino Talmud DVD. However, I don't know if the software is correct. A listing of 6007 items.

That's because I believe this listing will start another pathway in religion and spirituality. I need this listing from Planet Earth's PhD's in Bible History Studies. Can they agree?
To me the word "god" is like the word "aspirin". My spirituality is with the invention of the concept of YHWH. (no vowels please, to be scientific). That was a great pathway to follow in spirituality. Spinoza used the word "god" in ETHICS as the first substance. I wonder if he would have preferred using YHWH. He loved the Hebrew language and even wrote a folksy Hebrew grammar.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:45 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by macnietspingal View Post
I've saved this precious dialog in the early days of ISP's. It's my email. I haven't changed at all.

================
Subject: Strauss and Kissinger and the State Department
. But he could never understand why his German countrymen in the Weimar
> Republic democracy of the 1930s were too passive to stop the rise of
> the Jew-killing Nazis. (He was born a Jew, you see.)
>
> If you have any thoughts on that, Ms. Ethel Jean (Kowan) Saltz, even
> in his grave, I think Leo Strauss would like to hear them. Perhaps
> you're an idealist.
>
> Best regards,
> Tom Van Dyke
==========================

Well, for beginners, I've devoured MEIN KAMPF. So any professor who
says he doesn't understand Naziism is a puzzle for me. Especially if
he's Jewish and more so if he's German. I'll just use Hitler's own
words which I believe were written when he was in prison?

========================================

"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it."
-Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1

........

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am
defending the handiwork of the Lord

Here we meet the insolent objection, which is Jewish in its
inspiration and is typical of the modern pacifist. It says: "Man can
control even Nature."

Here also everything is copied, or
rather stolen; for the Jew could not possess any religious institution
which had developed out of his own consciousness, seeing
that he lacks every kind of idealism; which means that belief in a life
beyond this terrestrial existence is foreign to him. In the
Aryan mind no religion can ever be imagined unless it embodies the
conviction that life in some form or other will continue after
death. As a matter of fact, the Talmud is not a book that lays down
principles according to which the individual should prepare
for the life to come. It only furnishes rules for a practical and
convenient life in this world.

------------------

The failure of this Party to carry into effect the dream of saving
Austria from dissolution must be attributed to two main defects in the
means
they employed and also the lack of a clear perception of the ends they
wished to reach.

The anti-Semitism of the Christian-Socialists was based on religious
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
instead of racial principles. The reason for this mistake gave rise to the
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
second error also.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<


The founders of the Christian-Socialist Party were of the opinion that
they could not base their position on the racial principle if they wished
to save Austria, because they felt that a general disintegration of the
State might quickly result from the adoption of such a policy. In the
opinion of the Party chiefs the situation in Vienna demanded that all
factors which tended to estrange the nationalities from one another should
be carefully avoided and that all factors making for unity should be
encouraged.
======================= Endquote

Now what I need for the whole Planet is a correct count of all instances of YHWH in the Bible with a list of all instances. I have one I got from my Davka Soncino Talmud DVD. However, I don't know if the software is correct. A listing of 6007 items.

That's because I believe this listing will start another pathway in religion and spirituality. I need this listing from Planet Earth's PhD's in Bible History Studies. Can they agree?
To me the word "god" is like the word "aspirin". My spirituality is with the invention of the concept of YHWH. (no vowels please, to be scientific). That was a great pathway to follow in spirituality. Spinoza used the word "god" in ETHICS as the first substance. I wonder if he would have preferred using YHWH. He loved the Hebrew language and even wrote a folksy Hebrew grammar.
Anyone that believes Hitler was acting upon the will of God according to the Bible has NO CLUE what is in the Bible.

Adolf Hitler was acting according to the theology of Helena P. Blavatsky in His "bible" wrote by her called the "Secret Doctrine". This SAME theology is seen throughout the United Nations ideology today with the influence of Alice Bailey in Lucis (formerly LUCIFER) trust.

MAN attempting to establish a superhuman race while DESTROYING YHWH's people (Jews and Christians) by GENOCIDE is NOT GOD'S direction but is the working of SATAN - YOUR Adversary whether you know it or not.

God's given us the choice to love him or reject him. If you do not want Jesus Christ/God, than you will get what you want - separation for eternity.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikelee81 View Post
Anyone that believes Hitler was acting upon the will of God according to the Bible has NO CLUE what is in the Bible.

Adolf Hitler was acting according to the theology of Helena P. Blavatsky in His "bible" wrote by her called the "Secret Doctrine". This SAME theology is seen throughout the United Nations ideology today with the influence of Alice Bailey in Lucis (formerly LUCIFER) trust.

MAN attempting to establish a superhuman race while DESTROYING YHWH's people (Jews and Christians) by GENOCIDE is NOT GOD'S direction but is the working of SATAN - YOUR Adversary whether you know it or not.

God's given us the choice to love him or reject him. If you do not want Jesus Christ/God, than you will get what you want - separation for eternity.



"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)


Hitler's Concordat poster




Why is a Catholic obliged to vote for the parliamentary list of Adolf Hitler? Because in the National Socialist state intrinsically and through the Reichskonkordat

1. The Faith is protected,
2. Peace with the Church is assured,
3. Public morality is preserved,
4. Sunday is hallowed,
5. Catholic schools are maintained,
6. The Catholic conscience is no longer burdened,
7. A Catholic has equal rights before the law and in the life of the nation,
8. Catholic organisations and associations, insofar as they exclusively serve religious, charitable and cultural purposes, can operate freely.

Therefore a Catholic is obliged on 12 November [1933] to vote thus:

Referendum: yes
Parliamentary election: Adolf Hitler


Full text of the Concordat Hitler signed with the Vatican


Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich
[with Supplementary Protocol and Secret Supplement]
July 20, 1933
[Ratified 10 September 1933]


Concordat Watch - Germany | Reichskonkordat (with Hitler, 1933): Full text

Article 21

Catholic religious education in elementary, vocational, secondary schools and institutions of higher learning is a regular school subject, and is to be taught in accordance with the principles of the Catholic Church. In religious education, special emphasis will be given to inculcating a patriotic, civic and social sense of duty in the spirit of the Christian faith and the moral code, just as happens in all other subjects. The curriculum and the selection of textbooks for religious education will be arranged in agreement with the Church authorities. The opportunity will be given to the Church authorities to check, with the agreement of the school authorities, whether the pupils receive religious education in accordance with the teachings and specifications of the Church.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_oath

Wehrmacht oath


Reichswehr soldiers swear the Hitler oath in 1934, with hands raised in the traditional schwurhand gesture
in German 'Die Vereidigung der Wehrmacht auf Adolf Hitler, 2.8.1934

"Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen."

The Wehrmacht Oath of Loyalty to Adolf Hitler, 2 August 1934
"I swear by God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath."

Civil servant oath
Diensteid der öffentlichen Beamten
Ich schwöre: Ich werde dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler treu und gehorsam sein, die Gesetze beachten, und meine Amtspflichten gewissenhaft erfüllen, so wahr mir Gott helfe.

Service oath for public servants
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, to observe the law, and to conscientiously fulfil my official duties, so help me God!


Nazi Belt Buckle saying God is with Us


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Old 12-03-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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Hitler was about as Christian as the Pope is Baptist. To suggest he was trying to do the will of God is lunacy. He was using it to manipulate...that's it.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:24 AM
 
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perhaps he was inspired by God?

Saint Augustine believes in this theory - ie: God chooses the leaders.

I'm sure there is a biblical verse that supports this theory.

isn't the Pope divinely chosen?
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:35 AM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Meester-Chung View Post
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)


Hitler's Concordat poster




Why is a Catholic obliged to vote for the parliamentary list of Adolf Hitler? Because in the National Socialist state intrinsically and through the Reichskonkordat

1. The Faith is protected,
2. Peace with the Church is assured,
3. Public morality is preserved,
4. Sunday is hallowed,
5. Catholic schools are maintained,
6. The Catholic conscience is no longer burdened,
7. A Catholic has equal rights before the law and in the life of the nation,
8. Catholic organisations and associations, insofar as they exclusively serve religious, charitable and cultural purposes, can operate freely.

Therefore a Catholic is obliged on 12 November [1933] to vote thus:

Referendum: yes
Parliamentary election: Adolf Hitler


Full text of the Concordat Hitler signed with the Vatican


Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich
[with Supplementary Protocol and Secret Supplement]
July 20, 1933
[Ratified 10 September 1933]


Concordat Watch - Germany | Reichskonkordat (with Hitler, 1933): Full text

Article 21

Catholic religious education in elementary, vocational, secondary schools and institutions of higher learning is a regular school subject, and is to be taught in accordance with the principles of the Catholic Church. In religious education, special emphasis will be given to inculcating a patriotic, civic and social sense of duty in the spirit of the Christian faith and the moral code, just as happens in all other subjects. The curriculum and the selection of textbooks for religious education will be arranged in agreement with the Church authorities. The opportunity will be given to the Church authorities to check, with the agreement of the school authorities, whether the pupils receive religious education in accordance with the teachings and specifications of the Church.


Hitler oath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wehrmacht oath


Reichswehr soldiers swear the Hitler oath in 1934, with hands raised in the traditional schwurhand gesture
in German 'Die Vereidigung der Wehrmacht auf Adolf Hitler, 2.8.1934

"Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen."

The Wehrmacht Oath of Loyalty to Adolf Hitler, 2 August 1934
"I swear by God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath."

Civil servant oath
Diensteid der öffentlichen Beamten
Ich schwöre: Ich werde dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler treu und gehorsam sein, die Gesetze beachten, und meine Amtspflichten gewissenhaft erfüllen, so wahr mir Gott helfe.

Service oath for public servants
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, to observe the law, and to conscientiously fulfil my official duties, so help me God!


Nazi Belt Buckle saying God is with Us

Excellent post. You "True Believers" better take note: THAT is how you make a supported post with verifiable FACTS! Good work, Meester-Chung!
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:30 AM
 
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This Christian Socialist group hated Jews , which broke the commands of Jesus to Love their neighbor as them self .... Which would have put a curse of the rise in the spiritual mark of the beast of people , which would have made them a form of godliness but deny any power .... Later when they had the Holocaust of the Jews and Christians and Gypsies and disabled people ... This mark of the beast was all over their nation which cursed Germany and brought it down to its place .... See Hitlers swastika cross was Not Christian
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