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Originally Posted by Eusebius
The Christian faith is not about "feeling." It is about (drum roll) "faith." Now I must admit that when I truly believed God (took Him at His word) that Christ died for our sins) I greatly rejoiced. It is so simple, yet it is beyond the brightest unless God opens their heart to see it.
You needn't worry about paying any sort of "eternal price." Christ already died for all our sins. They all have been died for. The only next question is: When will you be brought into this understanding? During your life? or at the end of the ages which God will save all mankind? That is under God's control.
Not all Christians believe in a literal hell, and some do not believe in hell at all; they believe that all mankind will be redeemed, at least ultimately. We tend to harp on the putative, sadistic doctrine of eternal punishment in a literal lake of fire because that is a belief that seems to predominate in the Christian theists who frequent these parts. But it's good to remember that not every Christian theist buys this. They see hell more like the movie What Dreams May Come saw it ... as a self-imposed torment and blindness, and to the extent they see it as a possible eternal state, they see that as crossing a point of no return in one's thinking that forever separates you from god. In my view any form of torment, in this life OR the next, is unacceptable, and only a very few Christians see it that way.
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Not all Christians believe in a literal hell, and some do not believe in hell at all; they believe that all mankind will be redeemed, at least ultimately. We tend to harp on the putative, sadistic doctrine of eternal punishment in a literal lake of fire because that is a belief that seems to predominate in the Christian theists who frequent these parts. But it's good to remember that not every Christian theist buys this. They see hell more like the movie What Dreams May Come saw it ... as a self-imposed torment and blindness, and to the extent they see it as a possible eternal state, they see that as crossing a point of no return in one's thinking that forever separates you from god. In my view any form of torment, in this life OR the next, is unacceptable, and only a very few Christians see it that way.
this reminds me of this tv show and this little clip
First of all, you aren't entitled to a damn thing. You know, I agree, I didn't ask to be put on earth and have to deal with what I got to deal with, but it is what it is. The only thing you can do is make the best of it.
Now, you can go on and take the easy way out and say you believe in this or that because it's easier, or whatever, but at end of the day when the curtain closes, it's all on you.
You want to feel God? When your heart is beating uncontrollably, and the world is starting to get too bright, you'll have that connection with God, believe me.
But at the same time, and you can trust me on this, you don't want that to happen. I mean, it ain't gotta just be your heart, it can be anything.
But when you feel yourself slippin away, it ain't but you and God left in the world. That's what a lot of people don't understand because they never been in that situation before.
Get somebody in that situation, and see if they go all in the world. It ain't gonna happen because the end of the day, the world is like a Casino, it's always gonna collect whether you win or lose.
The house wins, and you go broke, it's game over. You gonna die at some point, so you better prepare for that now rather than be unprepared when it happens.
The house wins, and you go broke, it's game over. You gonna die at some point, so you better prepare for that now rather than be unprepared when it happens.
It's your choice.
There are a thousand ways to be prepared. One is to calmly accept the fact of your mortality, and let life be what it is, which is finite. I rather think that if I'm mistaken and there's in fact a god worth knowing in a surprise afterlife, he will not be so fragile and immature that he can't handle my unbelief. And if he's just a sick so-and-so with a Johnson for some roast man-flesh, well, I'm probably screwed anyway.
While your point is 100% correct, just to be technical I woukd point out that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is the same god.
"Allah" is just a generic term meaning "god." It is not a name of any specific god.
Christians in the Middle East pray to "allah"--it just means "god."
Christians believe in the same god Jesus did--Yahweh, the God of Abraham.
Muslims too believe in the same god.
It's funny you should mention that. If you were Roman, Saturn is what you would call Chronos.
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