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Old 01-29-2023, 07:03 PM
 
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The reason none of the apostles wore crosses is that Jesus had not yet been crucified, and therefore the cross bore no heavy religious symbolization. Wow...
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Old 01-29-2023, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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I am going to have to disagree with the OP.

I believe that satanists do use the upside down cross to symbolize satan.

What the OP does not recognize, is that symbols can have multiple meaning or use. A symbol can have a primary use that is hijacked for other purposes.

The inverted US flag means "SOS" or "help". It is a distress signal. That is the original, official meaning of flying the US flag upside down, yet anti-American activists will often fly the flag upside down as a means of disrespect that is short of burning it.

So the Peter's cross has been hijacked by satanists to also represent satan. It is not an either/or. It is both. It didn't have to be a satanic symbol, but it became a satanic symbol when satanist hijacked it to be disrespectful to Christianity.
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Old 01-29-2023, 08:18 PM
 
Location: So Cal/AZ
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The reason none of the apostles wore crosses is that Jesus had not yet been crucified, and therefore the cross bore no heavy religious symbolization. Wow...
WOW! you dug deep for this one.
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Old 01-30-2023, 06:59 AM
 
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So the Peter's cross has been hijacked by satanists to also represent satan. It is not an either/or. It is both. It didn't have to be a satanic symbol, but it became a satanic symbol when satanist hijacked it to be disrespectful to Christianity.
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Old 01-30-2023, 10:53 AM
 
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Goodie goodie. Another case of putting too much value and emphasis in symbols. The same could be said of words; letters put together to mean something for a particular language, but nothing in others.

The mind is the source of turning the object into a meaning. Put the blame where it is due.

If someone wants to think a bird is satanic, whallah! guess what just happened.

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Old 01-30-2023, 11:48 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Goodie goodie. Another case of putting too much value and emphasis in symbols. The same could be said of words; letters put together to mean something for a particular language, but nothing in others.

The mind is the source of turning the object into a meaning. Put the blame where it is due.

If someone wants to think a bird is satanic, whallah! guess what just happened.
And that is exactly what people thought and did and ...herd mentality.
Tell an unverified story enough times and people will believe it's the truth.
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Old 02-22-2023, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Inland California Desert
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How do you know? I mean what, exactly, makes it satanic? The fact that somebody says it is?



Not just anybody . . . EXPERTS . . .



What were the historical origins of Christendom’s cross?


“Various objects, dating from periods long anterior to the Christian era, have been found, marked with crosses of different designs, in almost every part of the old world. India, Syria, Persia and Egypt have all yielded numberless examples . . . The use of the cross as a religious symbol in pre-Christian times and among non-Christian peoples may probably be regarded as almost universal, and in very many cases it was connected with some form of nature worship.”
Encyclopædia Britannica (1946), Vol. 6, p. 753.


The shape of the [two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ.
An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962), W. E. Vine, p. 256.


“It is strange, yet unquestionably a fact, that in ages long before the birth of Christ, and since then in lands untouched by the teaching of the Church, the Cross has been used as a sacred symbol. . . . The Greek Bacchus, the Tyrian Tammuz, the Chaldean Bel, and the Norse Odin, were all symbolised to their votaries by a cruciform device.
The Cross in Ritual, Architecture, and Art (London, 1900), G. S. Tyack, p. 1.


The cross in the form of the ‘Crux Ansata’ . . . was carried in the hands of the Egyptian priests and Pontiff kings as the symbol of their authority as priests of the Sun god and was called ‘the Sign of Life.’”
The Worship of the Dead (London, 1904), Colonel J. Garnier, p. 226.


“Various figures of crosses are found everywhere on Egyptian monuments and tombs, and are considered by many authorities as symbolical either of the phallus [a representation of the male sex organ] or of coition. . . . In Egyptian tombs the crux ansata [cross with a circle or handle on top] is found side by side with the phallus.”
A Short History of Sex-Worship (London, 1940), H. Cutner, pp. 16, 17;

—see also The Non-Christian Cross, p. 183.


These crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian sun-god, and are first seen on a coin of Julius Cæsar, 100-44 B.C., and then on a coin struck by Cæsar’s heir (Augustus), 20 B.C. On the coins of Constantine the most frequent symbol is; but the same symbol is used without the surrounding circle, and with the four equal arms vertical and horizontal; and this was the symbol specially venerated as the ‘Solar Wheel’. It should be stated that Constantine was a sun-god worshipper, and would not enter the ‘Church’ till some quarter of a century after the legend of his having seen such a cross in the heavens.”
The Companion Bible, Appendix No. 162;

—see also The Non-Christian Cross, pp. 133-141.
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