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Old 01-09-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Nope.
With reference to Alexander the Great, Flavius Josephus wrote the following;

'And when the book of Daniel was shewed him, wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he supposed that himself was the person intended;'
[Antiquities of the Jews, book XI, chapter VIII, section 5]

Alexander the Great lived from about 356 BC. to about 323 BC.

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Yeah, he also said Alexander came and bowed down to the ground in front of the Jewish high priest, which is obviously not true. Just because Josephus said it doesn't make it true. He was still centuries removed from Alexander's day and was still just as dogmatic as modern conservatives when it came to believing faith promoting accounts passed down to him. The evidence is absolutely unequivocal. The book was written around 165 BCE.

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Old 01-09-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Actually, Peter referred to Paul's writings as scripture. Paul certainly seemed to think he was writing under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit.
Paul didn't write Timothy, and he never claimed his writings were perfect.

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Of course it's perfect. God, the Holy Spirit inspired it. He doesn't make mistakes.
But humans do, and humans can alter the Bible, mass produce it, and sell it to the gullible public anytime the want. God has never stopped any human from retranslating the Bible with any agenda they want.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Yeah, he also said Alexander came and bowed down to the ground in front of the Jewish high priest, which is obviously not true. Just because Josephus said it doesn't make it true. He was still centuries removed from Alexander's day and was still just as dogmatic as modern conservatives when it came to believing faith promoting accounts passed down to him. The evidence is absolutely unequivocal. The book was written around 165 BCE.
Believe what you will and reject any evidence that counters your opinion. I see this all to often on these sort of forums.

The Date of the Book of Daniel
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Paul didn't write Timothy,
Who wrote it?

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and he never claimed his writings were perfect.
He did claim to hear directly from God.

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But humans do, and humans can alter the Bible, mass produce it, and sell it to the gullible public anytime the want. God has never stopped any human from retranslating the Bible with any agenda they want.
He (God) quite possibly kept certain books from being included in the Bible.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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He (God) quite possibly kept certain books from being included in the Bible.
You quite possibly could use this non-argument to explain just about anything under the sun you don't have a logical answer for.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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You quite possibly could use this non-argument to explain just about anything under the sun you don't have a logical answer for.
The same could be said for Fiyero's argument that humans screwed up God's word, and therefore we don't have to believe it.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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The same could be said for Fiyero's argument that humans screwed up God's word, and therefore we don't have to believe it.
Well jimmi unless all Bibles magically poof out of the air, mankind must have a hand in getting the word of god to the masses. And as we all know humans tend to tend to screw things up or change them to serve our own purposes. I know religious folk like yourself would rather bury your heads in the sand that face this fact but there it is.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Well jimmi unless all Bibles magically poof out of the air, mankind must have a hand in getting the word of god to the masses. And as we all know humans tend to tend to screw things up or change them to serve our own purposes. I know religious folk like yourself would rather bury your heads in the sand that face this fact but there it is.
You fail to acknowledge God. Your mistake.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:58 PM
 
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You fail to acknowledge God. Your mistake.
I failed to acknowledge Apollo and Cthulhu as well. I hope they don't get their celestial boxers in a knot.

Is it your contention that God has prevented mankind from altering his word in the Bible?

If that is so then please explain the many different Bible variations we now have today.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Believe what you will and reject any evidence that counters your opinion. I see this all to often on these sort of forums.

The Date of the Book of Daniel
I'm taking the time to respond in full to the points made in your article. There are quite a few problems with it. Give me a couple days and I'll post it.
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