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Originally Posted by Snowball7
Perhaps the Hebrews, yes, but not the "Jews".. it's not a matter of mere semantics to
point this out, especially if one is going to compare today's "jews" with the ancient
Hebrews, or even with Israelites, or Judeans, for that matter.
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Who is talking about the Hebrews?
When Paul said that they were beloved for the fathers, he was speaking of Judah, and it is Judah that God comes punishing the entire world.
God brings vengeance against any nation, people or tongue who has even opened their eyes upon Judah, the prophets are absolutely filled with God's vengeance in the last days when he comes to judge every nation for what they have done to Judah, and he doesn't say this about any other people, and neither does Paul.
Who else has been punished for nothing more than Keeping God's commandments as they were demanded to keep?
You can't put the church or Christians or anyone else in the shoes of these Jews because it was the Christians who has persecuted Israel for 2000 years, and we persecuted them for nothing more than their obedience to the commandments of God, something that gentiles were not willing to go all the way to death.
But the Jews WERE willing, and God is bringing vengeance because it is simply what the whole world deserves for what we have done.
No other people are like the people of God, and no other people are beloved for the sake of the fathers, no other people are just going to have unrighteousness torn away from them like the Jews, and God comes to the tents of Judah FIRST, and the feeblest among them will be as David, and the house of David will be as God, like the angel of the Lord who stands before the throne.
Look what God says, and this is just Joel.
Joel 3
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink
Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:
The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.
Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:
I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about
: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.
Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of ****tim.
Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Those who will not serve Judah will be punished.