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Truth is always consistent and not influenced by politics or religion. Such are natural laws. An apple falls from a tree in any country, regardless of that country's religion or political situation. Prayer cannot change this.
Some years ago two scientists were candidates for the Nobel Prize in physics because they claimed to have discovered cold fission, which would have revolutionized nuclear energy. But, under scrutiny by other scientists, the theory of cold fission was proven false. Atoms function on natural laws, not on prayer or holy spirits.
Anyone can label whatever they want to be "true", that's easy. The hard part is to prove it. Anyone who claims a truth must consider all relevant research, without any political or religious bias. Truths do not depend upon suppressing opposing claims or ignoring evidence.
For the religious to proclaim they know the truth is more a demonstration of faith and belief, not a truth.
I don't think that the religious are interested in finding the "truth", but they are more interested in being right all the time about everything.
You may be right about some of the religious, but not all. The laws of physics and such have nothing to do with the Holy Spirit guiding you and directing you to biblical understanding and the truth of God. Physics was created by God, for pattern and functionability for the purpose of standardizing and giving mankind uniform principles to study as opposed to chaos with no definite atterns to study. Things behave in certain ways that are constant because that's how He designed them to behave and act. It is constant because God is constant. Gravity is constant because it was created to be constant. Sure. We can study it and such. Being able to utilize science and come to reasonable conclusions does not take away from God. God can step in and counteract the laws of physics he created any time he wishes. I search for the truth, not a truth, my truth, or your truth, but THE TRUTH! Our tiny little finite brains cannot possibly understand and comprehend the infinite mind of God.
God can step in and counteract the laws of physics he created any time he wishes.
I doubt this very much. No evidence supports this theory.
This world and the universe function on natural laws. Religion belongs to the realm of the supernatural.
I doubt this very much. No evidence supports this theory.
This world and the universe function on natural laws. Religion belongs to the realm of the supernatural.
Supernatural is natural. Just because we are trapped in the physical world and are thus subject to it's physical laws, doesn't mean that the supernatural or spiritual world is any less real or scientific. We are limited by physicality and sin. We cannot delve that deep with technology and won't ever be.
Yes. The world and universe do function on natural laws, but who made those laws? Why do they function? Science can use mathmatics to put physics to equations, but nobody can explain the "why" factor! How did laws originate? Function show design and therefore must have a designer! You can explain how on some occasions, when on others, but YOU NOR ANYBODY ELSE CAN SATISFACTORALLY EXPLAIN WHY!
What does the word "morals" mean in America?
The first thing that comes to mind is sex, in its various forms.
Ask people how they define morals, and most likely they will respond with opinions concerning sexual behavior.
In America, it seems that "morals" deals exclusively with sexual behavior.
I was wondering about other concepts, such as lying, cheating (not in the sexual sense), greed, bearing false witness, sanctimony, social and political smearing...do they come under the realm of "morals"?
My challenge is this; can you discuss morals WITHOUT mentioning anything about sexual behavior? (Examples of sexual behavior would be: abortion, porno, birth control, homosexuality, promiscuity, pre-marital sex, etc.)
With this challenge do you feel that rug has been pulled out from under your feet?
i am somewhat of an expert on lying cheating and stealing, although this area is traditionally the turf of the church, not the individual professional.
usually most americans like to refer to the law as the source of right and wrong but morees and traditions also play a part in the area of morals.
bottom line its about how we treat each other, short of being shoved in a black and white. and its not very good. we are not treating each other very good are we? by anybodys standards. that is why we need an avalache of 12 step programs, counselors, and lawyers.
this post is not intended to offend or embarrass anybody.
its my own personal opinion.
[quote=Visvaldis;1920513]Truth is always consistent and not influenced by politics or religion. ........................
For the religious to proclaim they know the truth is more a demonstration of faith and belief, not a truth.
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These two points are at the heart of the matter and are a dichotomy, witnessing religious peoples responses in these posts does tend to show that generally truth becomes a victim of faith.
These two points are at the heart of the matter and are a dichotomy, witnessing religious peoples responses in these posts does tend to show that generally truth becomes a victim of faith.
Well, I think that in any conflict whether it is political, economical, social, religious or whatever, the truth often is the 1st victim.
( Well, I think that in any conflict whether it is political, economical, social, religious or whatever, the truth often is the 1st victim.
Quite right Tricky, but above all religious faith becomes self imposed and can in extremis take on a caustic effect, denying the holder little chance to examine his perspective, it seems to me to be both the strength, for the believer, and weakness, for the non believer of religious moralising.
It appears to this Atheist that in this, American Christain moralists are no exception
Supernatural is natural. Just because we are trapped in the physical world and are thus subject to it's physical laws, doesn't mean that the supernatural or spiritual world is any less real or scientific. We are limited by physicality and sin. We cannot delve that deep with technology and won't ever be.
Yes. The world and universe do function on natural laws, but who made those laws? Why do they function? Science can use mathmatics to put physics to equations, but nobody can explain the "why" factor! How did laws originate? Function show design and therefore must have a designer! You can explain how on some occasions, when on others, but YOU NOR ANYBODY ELSE CAN SATISFACTORALLY EXPLAIN WHY!
No evidence supports the idea that your god is outside of the laws of physics, so you accept that notion on faith, period.
I haven't read every single little post in this thread, but I think the point is this. There are murderers, rapists, and many other bad people in the world, yet, there are fundamentalists who look at increased sexual activity as the 'downfall of society'. There are so many bad people out there in the world, meanwhile, some idiots think that somehow what consenting adults do behind closed doors is more important than that. These are the type of people who say society is getting worse and point to sexual activities for their 'proof'. What about muderers? Rapists? Terrorists? There is no way anyone can convince me that somehow, people being more sexually active (or choosing to have sex with someone of the same gender for that matter) is causing a 'downfall of society', while people are dying at the hands of others who may or may not participate in sexual activities that are considered unorthodox. I will never respect that line of thinking.
P.S. This isn't a jab at Christianity. Many Christians (And I think it's safe to say the majority.) don't think like this.
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So you are telling me what I should or should not find something explained to MY satisfaction?
Well, I think that in any conflict whether it is political, economical, social, religious or whatever, the truth often is the 1st victim.
