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Old 10-27-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If we can't define what "greater" means, and we can't define what a "higher plane" is, then how on earth could this argument of a creator being "greater" than its creation have any basis at all?

Ask Jimmie, he knows everything
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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cell phones, computers, cars, children (and that's just the letter C)
those are not creations. they are conventions.
when they start producing all the raw materials from scratch
in a vacuum, from nothing into atoms, then and only then
would they be creations.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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those are not creations. they are conventions.
when they start producing all the raw materials from scratch
in a vacuum, from nothing into atoms, then and only then
would they be creations.
The creator (or gatherer) is still greater than the convention.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The creator (or gatherer) is still greater than the convention.
Keep chanting it, jimmie. It obviously soothes you.
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Old 10-27-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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The creator (or gatherer) is still greater than the convention.
He is not a creator who constructs a convention from parts he did not create.
If, as you say, the "gatherer" is greater than the convention, then the inventor
must be greater than the invented, because an inventor is greater than a
conventioner.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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The best way I have found to prove god's existence is to try and hide from him, or protect yourself from him. In doing this, you'll find that you will not live long. There are many other ways to see the proof he has given us. The Torah is the greatest reference.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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The best way I have found to prove god's existence is to try and hide from him, or protect yourself from him. In doing this, you'll find that you will not live long. There are many other ways to see the proof he has given us. The Torah is the greatest reference.
Wait, the who what now? According to whom?

There are MANY people who "try to hide from" (if you consider turning away from faith, which many people do, as "hiding from") God who lead very, very long lives.

There are even full-on Satanists who lead long lives.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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God created everything from nothing. He never said how he did it. That is why I do not disbelieve the big bang theory, although I do believe there may be a more logical reasoning to the creation. I do for a fact know that Time is a very great servant of the creator, and also of his creations.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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Wait, the who what now? According to whom?

There are MANY people who "try to hide from" (if you consider turning away from faith, which many people do, as "hiding from") God who lead very, very long lives.

There are even full-on Satanists who lead long lives.
You didn't get what i meant. Let me clarify. Tell god you don't want him in your life, do everything in your power to stray away from him, see where it gets you, and realize the truth.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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You didn't get what i meant. Let me clarify. Tell god you don't want him in your life, do everything in your power to stray away from him, see where it gets you, and realize the truth.
How does one do this to a being they don't believe to exist?
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