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Old 01-29-2013, 04:06 AM
 
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Bertrand Russell's celestial teapot:
"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.

If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time"
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:07 AM
 
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Is there anything in the bible that references nature: Planets, stars, suns, physics, electricity, radio waves, nuclear power, mathematics, etc.?
I'm sure someone could find an Ipad in the Bible if they were motivated enough to do so.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:31 AM
 
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I thought he was being very clear.
I agree. Funny how such a straight forward question can be confusing to someone who can decipher books written thousands of years ago, determining the writers' intentions and whether they should be taken literally or figuratively.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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What does the bible say about other planets and universes?

Or is the bible just written for the planet Earth, and do other planets have different bibles?
I'd say that it was written to describe how the ancient Hebrews understood God and is specific to Earth. If there is intelligent life on other planets, I assume they will have their own understanding of God.

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The primitive men who wrote the bible had no clue as to the vastness of the universe. I doubt it occurred to any of them that other worlds might exist that could possibly harbour life akin to mankind. It would be like Neaderthals scrawling calculus equations on cave walls. Beyond their ken.
I think that is a good point. While I believe in God and the revelation of Torah to Moses, I don't believe it was a word-for-word dictation. Ancient man put the words to paper, and he did so using his understanding of the universe and God. To expect it to hold the secrets of genetics, chemistry, or physics is foolish at best.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I'm sure someone could find an Ipad in the Bible if they were motivated enough to do so.
I have absolutely no doubt but that you are right.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Is there anything in the bible that references nature: Planets, stars, suns, physics, electricity, radio waves, nuclear power, mathematics, etc.?
2 Chronicles 4:2 gives the value of pi as 3, but a decent apologetic can come up with a reason why what it actually says isn't what it really means.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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2 Chronicles 4:2 gives the value of pi as 3, but a decent apologetic can come up with a reason why what it actually says isn't what it really means.
where?

2 Also he made the cast metal sea, ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits and its circumference thirty cubits.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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where?

2 Also he made the cast metal sea, ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits and its circumference thirty cubits.
The formula for circumference is c = π×2×r.
Given the verse, the formula is: 30=π×2×5. This requires π=3.

Of course, it also requires the measurements given to be precise and completely accurate. And I think they are most likely estimates.

Using an accurate number for π and keeping 5 as the radius would give a circumference of a bit more than 30.

ETA: If my math is right, keeping a diameter of ten (giving a radius of 5) would result in a circumference of 31.42.
Keeping a circumference of 30 would give us a radius of 4.77, or a diameter of 9.54 cubits.

Not too far off in my book.

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Old 01-29-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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where?

2 Also he made the cast metal sea, ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits and its circumference thirty cubits.
Vizio, if you don't understand that, it is not because people are trying to confuse you.

Heretic: "2 + 2 = 4"
Believer: "Are you trying to confuse me?"
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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Vizio, if you don't understand that, it is not because people are trying to confuse you.
I'm thinking you're reading a bit into that.
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