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It's something that I find shocking. The teenage pregnancies, the single parenthood, the high divorce rates... what is the cause of all this? I was amazed that promiscuity is encouraged and virginity is looked down on.
When i first came to here the first thing I noticed was the breakdown of the family unit. It just doesn't seem to be valued at all when it's the core of a healthy society. There is endless information about sex education and contraception.. and yet single parenthood and illegitimate births just keep rising.
The sexual revolution might have allowed people to be more free sexually, but at what price? What was the main cause of this moral deterioration?
So 'morals' are all about sex to you?
Interesting. I see discrimination, prejudice, bigotry, child abuse etc as immoral. And most of that seems to come from the religious right.
In part I attribute this not to morals (which are of questionable morality themselves these days - just look at Westboro Baptist for a clear example), but to individual selfishness and lack of a wider social consciousness and responsibility.
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Secular humanism will be what saves society, IMO, and will keep most Judeo-Christian values. But, they will be based on the original human traits which led to their invention in the first place. Things such as altruism and fairness which are basic to human nature when nurtured. God is a fiction - a superstition. Perhaps useful in its time when science was not around to explain the world, but now a hindrance to a unified view of humanity and human rights and goodness. God is a cause of divisiveness, not a source of unity.
I think we are in a transition period between failing old ideas and wonderful new paradigms of ethics. Revolutions are seldom tidy.
Right now the view of not caring what others think is on the rise. This is probably an adaptation to much of culture being based off traditions that aren't necessarily good for people. Everybody's supposed to get married, and have kids, and men are supposed to fear doctors and never go to them, and women are supposed to merrily do whatever their husbands tell them and never have a thought in their pretty little heads. I think that's what people are escaping from, so they ignore the peer pressure that might be healthy if society gave better guidance. (Although that peer pressure is still healthy in some ways even with society's poor guidance).
Ideally once culture adapts to something more useful, we'll go back that healthy the community raises the child way. People will begin trusting culture again (hopefully). I think we need more peer pressure in society, just good peer pressure.
Regarding the sexual revolution...evidently some women don't like the past because they weren't taken seriously, but they also don't like the present because potential mates expect sex after a solid 15 minutes of work/flattery.
...and as for the women who don't like sex...or like it less, but still want a relationship...they are no longer expected to sleep with their husbands anyway, by society, but who would date them if many people view sex as an ice breaker? It's like a handshake...a very, very friendly, handshake.
If anyone doesn't believe there are women who don't like the sexual revolution, go to the intimate relationships forum and start a thread about how proud you are about being a being a playa'. Women will swarm like piranhas and devour you. If you make a remark that the age of consent should be lowered to 16, you will probably be called a pedophile at least once.
There is endless information about sex education and contraception.. and yet single parenthood and illegitimate births just keep rising.
The sexual revolution might have allowed people to be more free sexually, but at what price? What was the main cause of this moral deterioration?
There's a saying I heard once: 'Just say 'no' prevents teenage pregnancy the way 'have a nice day' cures chronic depression'.
You can give all the sex-ed lessons you want, but in the end, it's up to the individual to accept what's offered. Some will take that to a logical extreme, and make the appropriate decisions, while others will take the approach of raw hedonism.
The sad truth is that, as advanced as we are (slowly) becoming culturally, when a choice is offered to a large enough group of people, about 75% of them will take the 'thrill me now, though it may kill me later' path. That's human nature, tragically, and there's only so much we can do to curb our natural impulses.
What's the main cause of the moral decay? Well......sometimes when you say 'no', they just want it all the more.
It started with the so-called "Age of Enlightenment" when philosophers began to deny the existence of God. As society has progressively moved away from Judeo-Christian values toward secular humanism, morality has deteriorated to the reeking slime pit is today. Sodom may fare better in judgment. IMHO
Society has largely given up universal moral standards in favor of moral relativism on issues of sexuality. This devolution began with the acceptance of contraception and soon fornication, homosexuality, and promiscuous sex followed.
Seriously. As if immorality was something new. Humans have always, always engaged in things that many would consider immoral as well as committing real horrors and atrocities.
Pornography, hedonism, rape, incest, teen pregnancy, slavery, slaughter, genocide--all of these things have always been with us. Many such things are to be found in the religious scriptures of the world (including the Judeo-Christian ones) often actually conceived, ordered and endorsed by a god or gods themselves.
"Morals" have become something that applies (or does not apply) on an individual basis. People are living life by their own standards. Not a list of standards decided by someone or something else.
If people were all a-moral, there would be no moral problem. That is where we are headed.
Society has largely given up universal moral standards in favor of moral relativism on issues of sexuality. This devolution began with the acceptance of contraception and soon fornication, homosexuality, and promiscuous sex followed.
Again, this is baseless and absurd nonsense. Contraception, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, etc. have always, always been with us--a part of humanity and the human condition. Nothing new here.
I think it's hilarious, though, that you equate some of these things (i.e. contraception and homosexuality in particular) as "immoral."
How? Why? Based on ancient superstitious stories about some gods?
Again, this is baseless and absurd nonsense. Contraception, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, etc. have always, always been with us--a part of humanity and the human condition. Nothing new here.
I think it's hilarious, though, that you equate some of these things (i.e. contraception and homosexuality in particular) as "immoral."
How? Why? Based on ancient superstitious stories about some gods?
Existence does not imply acceptance. Contraception was widely disdained in 19th-century America, and only in the mid-20th century did most Christian churches change their view on it. Sodomy has been viewed as immoral since the Christianization of the West. Sure, these things were done in secret - but society looked down upon it and people often felt ashamed of themselves after doing such things.
Contraception is immoral because it selfishly separates the procreative and unitive aspects of sex, leading to a variety of social ills.
Homosexual acts are immoral because they are against the natural end of the sexual act.
Existence does not imply acceptance. Contraception was widely disdained in 19th-century America, and only in the mid-20th century did most Christian churches change their view on it. Sodomy has been viewed as immoral since the Christianization of the West. Sure, these things were done in secret - but society looked down upon it and people often felt ashamed of themselves after doing such things.
Contraception is immoral because it selfishly separates the procreative and unitive aspects of sex, leading to a variety of social ills.
Homosexual acts are immoral because they are against the natural end of the sexual act.
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