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If the creator exists on a higher plane, why is that illogical?
Because then the universe can exist on the same higher plane, and we are back to square one. If you then say the universe cannot exist on that higher plane, the question is why not? You have no reason to believe such a plane exists, much less that the universe isn't or cannot be part of it.
You have a logical conundrum, and your only way out of it is to make stuff up.
Because then the universe can exist on the same higher plane, and we are back to square one. If you then say the universe cannot exist on that higher plane, the question is why not? You have no reason to believe such a plane exists, much less that the universe isn't or cannot be part of it.
You have a logical conundrum, and your only way out of it is to make stuff up.
That is the problem, planes or not...
-NoCapo
How can that be, if the creator is greater than the creation?
Creation was planned. Without a creator, our existence is a "cosmic accident".
Okay, that brings us back to the original question which you have not answered. Who planned the creator? How did the creator come into being?
And, once more, still hoping for a response which makes a minimum of sense, if you insist that the creator has always existed, why is that any more likely or logical than arguing that the material which forms the universe has always existed?
We have physical evidence that the material exists, we have the universe. We have no such evidence for a creator. So postulating that one or the other has always existed, with material we are starting with some evidence while with a creator we are doing so in a vacuum.
Okay, that brings us back to the original question which you have not answered. Who planned the creator? How did the creator come into being?
And, once more, still hoping for a response which makes a minimum of sense, if you insist that the creator has always existed, why is that any more likely or logical than arguing that the material which forms the universe has always existed?
We have physical evidence that the material exists, we have the universe. We have no such evidence for a creator. So postulating that one or the other has always existed, with material we are starting with some evidence while with a creator we are doing so in a vacuum.
Okay...how about...finally...an answer to that.
I've already answered those questions. No need to rehash.
As far as evidence for a creator, I don't need to show any. Rather, my point is to show that a creator is logical, wheras a cosmic accident is not.
I've already answered those questions. No need to rehash.
As far as evidence for a creator, I don't need to show any. Rather, my point is to show that a creator is logical, wheras a cosmic accident is not.
No you have not. You have not answered the question, you have not even tried to answer the question, only avoided it. Nor have you explained the supposed logic behind the second assertion above, only stated that it was logical. Do you not understand that something more than mere assertion is required here? It does not seem that you do.
I'm through wasting time with you, you declare, assert and evade, and nothing else.
No you have not. You have not answered the question, you have not even tried to answer the question, only avoided it. Nor have you explained the supposed logic behind the second assertion above, only stated that it was logical. Do you not understand that something more than mere assertion is required here? It does not seem that you do.
I'm through wasting time with you, you declare, assert and evade, and nothing else.
I haven't seen a fundamentalist do anything else but.
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