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Old 05-25-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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What do atheists have then?
The entire universe.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:26 PM
 
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The entire universe.
So atheists do have books then.
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Old 05-25-2015, 10:18 PM
 
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Logic is logic. Unless of course you're willing to admit that your religion is illogical ... which it is. The rest of the universe is logical. .
This!

If the entire universe is logical, then it's only logically correct to believe that Justice will be served in the after life - or else; how is it logical that an offender who is able to dodge or escape the local judicial system gets away with it for good? It has to balance out.
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Old 05-25-2015, 11:06 PM
 
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But the Koran even says that the Bible should be used to confirm what Muhammad states. If this is the case, why would Allah suggest using a corrupt book to confirm what Muhammad says?
There are things in Quran and Bible and Torah that are common so those can be confirmed; however Quran also indicates that the bible and Torah have been corrupted. And perhaps the biggest corruption is the claims of Jews and Christian that God has a son.

9:30 The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God'; the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the Son of God.' That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them.


So Quran addresses both messages.

1- Torah and Bible were the words of God (that had the message of monotheism).
2 - Both books are now miscegenated.
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Old 05-26-2015, 04:09 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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This!

If the entire universe is logical, then it's only logically correct to believe that Justice will be served in the after life - or else; how is it logical that an offender who is able to dodge or escape the local judicial system gets away with it for good? It has to balance out.
Why?
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Old 05-26-2015, 04:42 AM
 
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This!

If the entire universe is logical, then it's only logically correct to believe that Justice will be served in the after life - or else; how is it logical that an offender who is able to dodge or escape the local judicial system gets away with it for good? It has to balance out.
how we feel about something and how it works may be different right? Some of us do not base how things work on we feel. Like the way a car works. I want justice too. It doesn't change how the car works.
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Old 05-26-2015, 05:00 AM
 
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There are things in Quran and Bible and Torah that are common so those can be confirmed; however Quran also indicates that the bible and Torah have been corrupted. And perhaps the biggest corruption is the claims of Jews and Christian that God has a son.

9:30 The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God'; the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the Son of God.' That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them.


So Quran addresses both messages.

1- Torah and Bible were the words of God (that had the message of monotheism).
2 - Both books are now miscegenated.
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either the Bible (much of which is the supposed words of Jesus) is reliable enough to confirm the Quran or it is corrupted and can't be trusted. Which is it?
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Old 05-26-2015, 05:36 AM
 
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Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either the Bible (much of which is the supposed words of Jesus) is reliable enough to confirm the Quran or it is corrupted and can't be trusted. Which is it?
there are "truths" that run through all religions.
The tasty bits and the nasty bits.
It can't be any other way.
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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The Bible does not state God has always existed. We, indeed many, believe He always has but still, it just isn't in the Scriptures.

I have a hard time believe God could never have had a beginning. I just hope if He is not alone in the multi-verses (many universes) that the other ones do not challenge His supremacy and if He lost, we might be under an intollerable, hateful God whose only joy would be to torture all humans.
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Old 05-26-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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The Bible does not state God has always existed. We, indeed many, believe He always has but still, it just isn't in the Scriptures.

I have a hard time believe God could never have had a beginning. I just hope if He is not alone in the multi-verses (many universes) that the other ones do not challenge His supremacy and if He lost, we might be under an intollerable, hateful God whose only joy would be to torture all humans.
thats a break through. "multi verse". means god was born. it fits observations.
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