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None of those are correct. God is not dependent upon us, nor does he require us to in any way. We do not define good. God defines good. What he says or does is good--because he created everything and he set the rules.
So to suggest God is anything BUT good is an oxymoron.
That's kind of a circular argument, isn't it? God is good because God say he's good. Geez, I can't argue with that type of reasoning. I guess that makes you correct because you say you are correct.
That's kind of a circular argument, isn't it? God is good because God say he's good. Geez, I can't argue with that type of reasoning. I guess that makes you correct because you say you are correct.
You are misrepresenting my argument. Maybe you just didn't understand it. God isn't good BECAUSE HE SAYS he's good. Good is good because God says it's good. God is good--it's his nature. And he is the source of all things good.
You are misrepresenting my argument. Maybe you just didn't understand it. God isn't good BECAUSE HE SAYS he's good. Good is good because God says it's good. God is good--it's his nature. And he is the source of all things good.
Your argument is still goes in circles, God says it's good, therefore it must be good, good is good because God says it's good. God defines what is good, so therefore God must be good, because it's in His nature, just how are these statements not circular. There are all of holes in this type of reasoning.
Your argument is still goes in circles, God says it's good, therefore it must be good,
You're still either intentionally lying about me or you're just not getting it. I never said this, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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good is good because God says it's good.
God is the definition of "good". He is the source of all good. If it's of him--it's good.
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God defines what is good, so therefore God must be good, because it's in His nature, just how are these statements not circular. There are all of holes in this type of reasoning.
Because he is the creator of the universe--and he set the rules and all good comes from him
I would ask you why do you think you have the ability to question it? What authority or standard do you operate from?
Again....please define "good". God isn't good because he does good....he's good because he DEFINES good. Something is good or not depending on if he declared it to be good.
Might makes right, it seems. At least as far as the Abrahamic God is concerned.
You're still either intentionally lying about me or you're just not getting it. I never said this, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
God is the definition of "good". He is the source of all good. If it's of him--it's good.
Because he is the creator of the universe--and he set the rules and all good comes from him
I would ask you why do you think you have the ability to question it? What authority or standard do you operate from?
God said it is good to beat your slave as long as he doesn't die within 2 days. I understand now why the slaveowners in the South were typically Christian.
God said it is good to beat your slave as long as he doesn't die within 2 days. I understand now why the slaveowners in the South were typically Christian.
Ok, we are talking about the Christian god in the bible here.
Many people will say that goodness is God and God is good. But this is circular reasoning and makes no sense. For all we know, Satan could be good just because he says he's good if we don't check him by an independent set of ethics.
So here are some examples of why I believe god is not good:
1. I created hell and you could (actually most likely) go there. A good loving god would not create hell as hell is not a just punishment for wrongdoings. Even Stalin or Hitler would eventually have payed their punishment at some trillion years of sentence. Eternity in hell is unjust for anyone.
2. I created the devil and your flesh to tempt you yet I say I won't tempt you. I created the possibility of sin and willingly allow the devil and you to do these things even though I supposedly hate them.
3. I demanded sacrifice. Taking the life of another being (whether human or animal, and yes, god commanded both) for your own mistakes is perverse, no matter how you look at it.
4. I commanded my people, Israel to go conquer and kill a bunch of people. There's nothing wrong with that is there?
5. I'm a jealous god and you will worship no one but me. Jealousy is not a good character trait, god or human.
6. I killed my creation when I got mad at them. I sent the flood and killed them in the desert while they were wandering around.
7. Except you believe in me you will die in your sins. Likewise, if you blaspheme me and say I am bad, you are for sure going to the hot place. The truth exists whether anybody believes it or not. So why does god care if anybody believes in him? Especially when he gives us no external evidence for reasons for doing so.
8. I commanded parents to drown their kids when their kids rebelled. That's sure good parenting advice.
9. I changed the rules. First I made the law, saw it was kind of crappy, and then made a new set of laws, Galatians 5:19-21 and Jesus's commandments. Why didn't god just give us the right ones in the first place.
10 I lied. I said I don't change, yet I repented and changed the rules. I said I was good and I'm really not.
Atheists/Agnostics and Christians bicker back and forth about whether the Christian god is really God and whether he exists, yet not many changes their opinion based on these arguments. Now lets argue if the Christian god is good. If gods not good, then why would you serve him?
True, and if I got bored and self-centered enough, I could even twist and misquote the Bible to say that Satan is holy. I mean hypothetically for shytz n giggles....
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
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